new racers

[dt 01]

here's a idea about how to keep new racers coming!! from a rookies point of view. i have seen the message's about the new racers having to run against some of the best driver's and equiment there class has 1 st yr. and every weekend therefore never getting to run up front or in clean water then getting tired of losing every weekend and finaly quit.

what my idea is why cant you split a class where most new racers start that havent grow up in the sport. like csh,20/ss same for runabouts in these classes.

you could make a csh a and csh b for example . if you are new no matter what age you start in b . then may be moved up or down . that would be determaned by your proformance.

this may give the new guy a chance to learn , and as a competive person they will want to move up. its the guy's that wants down you have to look out for!!! sand baggers

this would only be for local clubs if you want to go to nat. or div. race with the big boys and have fun.......

could something like that format work!!! i dont know but it does in other sports were you the participate or team are ranked therefore you still may have success and the challage to get better and moved up!

just a idea from a new guy :rolleyes: lets hear what some other ideas are . as i'm very intersted as this may help me win faster..ha ha :p :p

[mercguy]

hey Dave, Reg11 has that going on right now. It was started by Darrell Sorensen. My younger brother started out it in last year and will be running CSH next year. Bruce Birling, I believe, has done the same thing in his region, calling it ProAm 400. You have to run the motors (stock Yamatos 80/102/302) deep though, but gives you a better take off and a little better handling. Darrell could tell you more..............

[mercguy]

Originally posted by dt 01
here's a idea about how to keep new racers coming!! from a rookies point of view. i have seen the message's about the new racers having to run against some of the best driver's and equiment there class has 1 st yr. and every weekend therefore never getting to run up front or in clean water then getting tired of losing every weekend and finaly quit.

what my idea is why cant you split a class where most new racers start that havent grow up in the sport. like csh,20/ss same for runabouts in these classes.

you could make a csh a and csh b for example . if you are new no matter what age you start in b . then may be moved up or down . that would be determaned by your proformance.

this may give the new guy a chance to learn , and as a competive person they will want to move up. its the guy's that wants down you have to look out for!!! sand baggers

this would only be for local clubs if you want to go to nat. or div. race with the big boys and have fun.......

could something like that format work!!! i dont know but it does in other sports were you the participate or team are ranked therefore you still may have success and the challage to get better and moved up!

just a idea from a new guy :rolleyes: lets hear what some other ideas are . as i'm very intersted as this may help me win faster..ha ha :p :p

oh ya, trust me, the 20SSH rig you are getting from me, will not keep you in the back of the pack!

[dt 01]

to me that kinda sounds the same. But i think you should let the new guy play by same rule's so he can learn how to set up his rig to run in the upper level with the best racer's when he win's at lower level but same class.. same rule's then gets moved up with the big boys he will be use to the higher speeds and should have a good idea what will make his rig competive ....:rolleyes:

[dt 01]

oh ya daren i will never quit and i know the rig i'm getting from you will be fast!!! but i do hate to lose!!!!!!:mad:

[mercguy]

Originally posted by dt 01
oh ya daren i will never quit and i know the rig i'm getting from you will be fast!!! but i do hate to lose!!!!!!:mad:

none of us hate to lose, but only one guy can finish first, which leaves the rest of us losers!!:D :D

Be patient Dave, winning takes time, TRUST ME!!

[mercguy]

Originally posted by dt 01
to me that kinda sounds the same. But i think you should let the new guy play by same rule's so he can learn how to set up his rig to run in the upper level with the best racer's when he win's at lower level but same class.. same rule's then gets moved up with the big boys he will be use to the higher speeds and should have a good idea what will make his rig competive ....:rolleyes:

Dave, actually with the rules Darrell set forth, it allows you to "learn" more about how to drive and is alot safer for a "beginner". You have btter holeshot and cornering with the lower motor heights, just loose top speed. Problem with the class is having enough "begineers" to compile a legal heat, thus is the reason some of the "veteran" drivers are entering the class and also avoid the "dog eat dog" scenario of a 20/C heat.......

just stay back some, watch the leaders and learn. It takes awhile.......

[chaddog75]

This idea sounds like a very good concept. I am a beginner myself and a lot of the concerns that would be addressed are concerns that i have, however at the same time i do agree that sometimes the best way to learn is to jump in with both feet and go with. Learn from the others. I feel that having a class broken into an A and B type category would let newer guys feel a little more comfortable in their learning phase and also allow them to feel more comfortable entering into competition with the veteran racers.

[David_L6]

Originally posted by mercguy
Dave, actually with the rules Darrell set forth, it allows you to "learn" more about how to drive and is alot safer for a "beginner". You have btter holeshot and cornering with the lower motor heights, just loose top speed. Problem with the class is having enough "begineers" to compile a legal heat, thus is the reason some of the "veteran" drivers are entering the class and also avoid the "dog eat dog" scenario of a 20/C heat.......

just stay back some, watch the leaders and learn. It takes awhile.......

There's an easier way to avoid the "dog eat dog"... Just start out front and keep extending your lead! ;)

:D :D :D

[dt 01]

well that would be the plan ! but first have to learn how to get good starts .... looks like my rig is use to being up front :p

now i have to try to do the same........ nice pic.. DAREN :rolleyes:

[mercguy]

Originally posted by David_L6
There's an easier way to avoid the "dog eat dog"... Just start out front and keep extending your lead! ;)

:D :D :D

well, with the 20 rig Dave is getting from me, he might be able to do that.............would really suck if my old rig ends up beating me in my new rig.....:( :( :(

[jeff55v]

I like all the solutions you folks have come up with to help new drivers. And I hope these solutions continue to help improve our sport.
I think the most important thing a rookie needs is time on the water. Especially practice on the starts. I've seen many veteran drivers jump the gun, or start late from time to time. There's nothing that says a rookie can't nail the start. Even with a slower boat, a rookie might be able to stay out front for a while. Heck, in clean water you might be suprised and see the rookie win it!
:)

[CSR4C]

Here are the rules for Nor-Cal 400:Nor Cal 400 Hydro

· A great class to for getting into racing.

· Speeds close to 55 mph and lots of acceleration.
· Plenty of equipment available at reasonable prices.
· Low maintenance cost.


Boat: Hydroplane, average length 10’-11’
Motor: Yamato, 302, 102, 80
Propeller: Yamato Para mutual racing 2 blade, provided.
Minimum driver age: 14 years.
Minimum overall weight: 400
Centerline propeller shaft height:
Yamato 80, 2 1/2" below bottom of boat.
Yamato 102, 202, 302, 3” below bottom of boat.

There is an ample supply of used boats that are well suited for this class. Motors: The Yamato 302, fresh from Japan sells for around $1995. Used Yamato 302, 102 or 80 motors are also available. Propellers are provided.
This class will achieve racing speeds in the low to mid 50 mph range with outstanding acceleration. When the time comes that you want to step up to the C Stock Hydro, 20SS Hydro or OSY 400 Hydro classes, it is just a matter of raising your transom height up to a competitive level for those classes and the addition of a 3 blade racing propeller.


Darrell

[dt 01]

from what i have seen the A class is has a bunch of different classes for basically the same drivers and equiment. and not many people seem to like this format.

as a rookie driver i still want the chance to use the same rules and set up as the best driver's so i can learn how to run my rig the same as they do...

this way when ready to move up and get moved up.. i will not have to start allover again trying to learn how to get my rig set up, what props. ect......

the only problem i can see with the csh or 20/ss A B format is not enought racers to fill both classes ..this format may increase the new guys to the sport as it will give them the success most guys need in sports if they are doing well in lower division, and the drive to move up...

as a new guy rember these are all just thoughts and ideas on what i feel could help the new racer out.. i will race with the big boys/girls from the start since i want to learn how to win in these classes and try to win a divisionals and nationals race !!
and learning how to be fast in other classes with other rules may not help me do this....

[mercguy]

this way when ready to move up and get moved up.. i will not have to start allover again trying to learn how to get my rig set up, what props. ect......

the only problem i can see with the csh or 20/ss A B format is not enought racers to fill both classes ..this format may increase the new guys to the sport as it will give them the success most guys need in sports if they are doing well in lower division, and the drive to move up...


as to the NorCal rules, basically the only difference is the engine height and 2blade prop. You will not have to start all over, just jack the motor up to the legal limit and run a 3blade. Darrell made it easy for you to "move up" when ready. I have avtually ran the class once and it is not bad at all. The lower prop shaft height greatly helps accelleration and works better in rough water conditions. You only loose a few MPH down the stretch.....

as to having enough drivers to run both 20SSH and CSH, there is. These (2) classes are pretty much the largest in the APBA. Only there are some "bigger" guys that run C, that would be too "heavy" for 20SSH. Likewise for a "light" 20 driver, having to add ALOT of weight to make C.