Boats Under Construction ...

[Dr. Thunder]

I've found the 3 CSH's thread to be interesting ... why not have a new forum here for info relating to any and all new race boats under construction ... pictures of progress posted etc. Might be kinda fun to keep track of who is building what and where ... how many new boats and in what classes were being produced ...

Anybody have any idea as to how many boats any one builder has had under construction at the same time ... not counting Swift, Marchetti's or Sids (although it might be interesting to know historically how many boats those boys might have had in production at any one time in their heyday) ...

[David_L6]

Maybe go a step further and have a projects section for all projects - boats, motors, trailers... ???

[stu_racing]

i have a 20ssh started up here in ONT, canada. my own utman design and this past summer i finished a bsh boat for the B classic class too.
as for a trailer i'm using my high school welding class next semester to weld up a 3 boat trailer.

spencer

[CSR4C]

Here are some of the Sorensen kits being built now:
Steve Hearn is building Ed an ASR
George Jenkins in building grandson Nick an ASR
Rob Wilkins is building Brian Lauer a DSR
Dave Umbarger is building a 25SSR
Pete Schaub a new driver from Cincinnati is building a CSR marathon boat for Top'O

I am building Lonnie Morris a FEH.

Anyone interested in a "Jackal" ASR boat or kit I can deliver to the winter nationals in Bakersfield.

Darrell
http://boatracingr11.com/sorensenmain.htm

[Ron Hill]

I saw some of Darrell's "A" Runabout Kits....

Let me say this....very cool... He actually puts the kits together without glue....Then, when you buy a kit, he takes it apart and sends you the pieces...ANY new boat builder or interested person could build one of Darrell's kits.

What ever he charges, isn't enough.

Post a picture of the kits in your "BARN"....

ADD,

Darrell gives freely of his time..... So, if you get stuck building one of his kit, you have an EXPERT to call...

[sam]

Swift made clothes pins before they built boats. Their original logo was a clothes pin. I probably have a quote somewhere of howmany boats Swift built in a day or a week, but I don't recall without looking it up. Total production of Swift hydros was around 5,000. By far the most popular raceboat of all time.

[CSR4C]

Yamato has Swift beat, in just the last 3 years. 40 employes, 1800 para-mutual boats a year. They have been doing it since about 1950.

[G Stillwill]

Heres my new Fralick AXH/ASH ride almost ready to fit the decks got two more after this a BSH and a AMOD. Yea I got a 15 Merc that I just put together.:D

[G Stillwill]

Another shot:D

[G Stillwill]

Last one:D

[Dick Tyndall]

Sam, I have always wondered why you don't see many of the old Swift hydros ( Atomic A's, Big Bee's Big D's ) around like some of the other boats of the 50's early 60's? Granted, wood boats that old usually don't survive 40 years or more. I know Len is building some Sid Craft hydros, and another person has all of the original patterns for all of the sid hydros ( with no interest in sharing or selling any plans ). Are there any plans out there for any of the Swift hydros? What did Joe Swift do with all of this? Anybody???

[Ron Hill]

All Swifts were nailed together with monel anchor nails... (Don't know how to spell monel (might have been a brand name) But each nail had an anchor on the head. They were light nails.....

Not sure if the nails caused them to fall apart, but most Swifts that I knew of met the "Bonfire"... They didn't cost much, really, cloth decks....when you stuffed one it was history..

Most were used too much when they were new.

[crankbearing]

I have a "D" Roper in the finishing stages and then I have a "d" Scott/Craft to build for Bill Keegan and then a 25/C Sorenson Kit to build following that.

The Sorenson 25 and a 25XS will be for sale following completion and testing. E-mail me for details.

Regards,

Will post some pics of the roper soon.

[David Weaver]

I hope to have a new 250 delivered from the Knoxville boat works in February. I have seen Brandon Thirlby's new 125 and it is a beauty (also from Gary's shop). Brandon's dad is expecting a new 500/700 capsule from Gary as well. Nic Thompson recently took delivery of his new 250 Pugh. Hopefully it will fare better than his last two rides at Lakeland come the first weekend of April.

When the sheep will let him out of the barn (it is a cold winter in Iowa Mike says), I know Mike Krier is working on a number of runabouts for the coming season.

[Abbott Racing]

I've got a new AXS hydro in the works. Just started cutting frames etc..... hope to have it on the jig in few weeks (work permitting!)

[17W]

Just finished applying the primer, time to wet sand....Hopefully have it painted by this Sunday evening. (Now that the PACK is out I can put in a full day on Sunday) It's coming together nicely!

Brent 17W:cool:

[Dr. Thunder]

Brent, is Bob Trolian still building RaceCraft boats ... any idea how much an ASR would sell for ... and, how long a wait to get delivery on one?

[17W]

Yes, Bob still builds many boats. He is located in Alexandria, Ky. I know that the C boat he built for me was the last big runabout he plans to build. He did state to me that he is going to continue to build both A & B boats both hydros & runabouts. Give him a call #859-448-9679.

Brent 17W:cool:

[crankbearing]

My new DSH Roper is finally near completion. Doing too much for others to get my own stuff completed.

Always the way!!! Oh! Well I love it anyway.

Regards!!!

[crankbearing]

Another :

[crankbearing]

Another

[crankbearing]

Pic 4 and last one.

[Composite Specialties]

Looks great Dave!

[Jeff Brewster 59s]

If you are impatient like me and dont want to wait for Bob to build you a new ASR I know of a brand new one sitting in a garage in Pittsburgh. Mike Lloyd has an ad in the classifieds on Trora.com. He has severe back damage (from gymnastics in college, not ASR) and cannot race it any longer. I think he may have only raced it once or twice. Good luck.

[G Stillwill]

Making progress, decks are on and should have the finish on next week.

[G Stillwill]

The top side is ribbom cut saple and the bottom and chines are standard Okoume

[G Stillwill]

Last one

[bill boyes]

Nice looking. here did you get the Ribbon Grain?

[Ron Hill]

Looks cool....keep posting pictures and up dates.

Bill, Doesn't Long Beach Plywood still carry that plywood? They still had it in 1976....Last boat my dad and I bulit...

[G Stillwill]

Bill here is a link where I get my plywood, most of the builders on the east coast go here.

http://www.harborsales.net/index.cfm

[Tom Cronk]

Jerry Davids just finished building 3 new TEC CRAFT boats in N.Y.
2-- CSH,OSY400 for Paul Hooten and Bob Wartinger.
1-- 20SSH for his daughter Jill Davids
All wood under 100lbs less hardware.
Jerry is the new TEC CRAFT builder on the east coast.
Retired
Tom Cronk
:cool: :cool: :cool:

[crankbearing]

Well I put on the last coat of Varnish the hardware and windshield. All that's left is the wetsanding and buffing in the spring. Enjoy.

Well Marc, What should I change to build another one for "d" Mod.

My Partner asked me If I wanted to Run "d" mod today and I said only in a new boat. He said well buy some wood and build one.

[crankbearing]

the left side

[crankbearing]

another

[crankbearing]

this is it until the first turn. LOL

Regards,

[HRTV]

Originally posted by Tom Cronk
Jerry Davids just finished building 3 new TEC CRAFT boats in N.Y.
2-- CSH,OSY400 for Paul Hooten and Bob Wartinger.
1-- 20SSH for his daughter Jill Davids
All wood under 100lbs less hardware.
Jerry is the new TEC CRAFT builder on the east coast.
Retired
Tom Cronk
:cool: :cool: :cool:

Photo's ????? Hey dont forget I am part of the Tech Craft team now :D :D

[CSR4C]

Here are a couple boats under reconstruction. One is for Clayton the other is just for fun. http://boatracingr11.com/Sorensen_boats/sorensen_Restorations.htm

Darrell

[HydroKyle93R]

A picture of the frames from the Jackel A runabout.

[HydroKyle93R]

My Dad (Carl Lewis) and I built a Jackal last winter. We built it from a kit from Darrell. It was fairly easy and very fun to put together.

[Dr. Thunder]

This is turning out to be a great thread ... keep posting the new boat info ... makes for great reading ... will be fun to see how the new boats do this season.

[Kevin Martin]

how are your boats coming neal? any progress? kevin

[arltralite]

here is a pic of a carbon fiber feh i am working on. in the back ground is glen stevensons 2.5L hydro ready for paint. also sponsons for a 1.5L stock hydro. i will also be building a carbon csh. not in the picture is a 4 link dragster i am building

matt arlt

[jsilvestri]

Matt,
Could you post another picture of the boat, its hard to see since its all black. But, from what I could make out, its looks really nice. Who are you building it for. Also, sounds like your pretty busy.

[arltralite]

joe

i dont have any more pics i want to show right now. afterlast years drought i am glad to have a few projects. i am always looking for more boats to build, inboard or outboard.

matt

[DeanFHobart]

Tom & Jerry,(Sounds like a cartoon)!!!

Really nice looking boats. Make sure Wart keeps his this 'shiny'.

Dean Hobart:D :cool:

[mercguy]

here's a picture of my new CSR. I just shot the 2nd coat of clear tonight. I will wet sand it tommorrow evening, then take it in to have the hand painted pinstriping, etc done, then will clear it one more time, then rig and race...........in 2wks!

[pro350hydro]

Daren, Paint looks great! I like your paint scheme:D

[mercguy]

ya, I tried to keep the paint job simple this time and show as much nice wood as possible. Yep Mike, I took your suggestion.........it should look better when I get it completely rigged.

[DeanFHobart]

Really nice boat.

Look at all those old Mercury parts in the background:cool:

Dean Hobart:D

[jsilvestri]

Daren,
The finish work looks great! Will you be posting a picture of the boat once it completely done?

[HRTV]

Hey Daren do I get a free ride a Whitney Point :D

[mercguy]

Originally posted by jsilvestri
Daren,
The finish work looks great! Will you be posting a picture of the boat once it completely done?

Joe, if you want me to, sure.....

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Admin
Hey Daren do I get a free ride a Whitney Point :D


sure Dan, no problem, but you might want to get one after that............ :D

[jsilvestri]

Daren,
Be sure to give Dan a ride in your CSR and get him hooked, we could always use another guy racing CSR.

Absolutely, post more pictures once your completely done with the CSR.

[mercguy]

Originally posted by jsilvestri
Daren,
Be sure to give Dan a ride in your CSR and get him hooked, we could always use another guy racing CSR.

Absolutely, post more pictures once your completely done with the CSR.

seems as if all clubs could use another CSR driver! Whatcha think Dan???

[HRTV]

Holy crap ! me in a runabout better make sure the rescue squad is on site :D :D :D Honest I have no idea how you guys drive those rigs.

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Admin
Holy crap ! me in a runabout better make sure the rescue squad is on site :D :D :D Honest I have no idea how you guys drive those rigs.

we drive them the same as hydros......get in, go fast, turn left............:D

[HRTV]

Ok folks you are looking at Paul Hootens brand spanking new Tec Craft built by Jerry David. I cant wait to get my used new to me Tec Craft, Billy Allens boat :D

http://216.120.234.56/Paul1.jpg

http://216.120.234.56/Paul2.jpg

http://216.120.234.56/Paul3.jpg

[mercguy]

looks like it was built "light", as seen by the cockpit sides. My 20SSH is built the same way.........

WOW, how many drain plugs are needed?????:D :D

[David_L6]

Originally posted by Admin
Holy crap ! me in a runabout better make sure the rescue squad is on site :D :D :D Honest I have no idea how you guys drive those rigs.

Dan,

With your OPC background, you probably wouldn't have as much trouble as you think. I've had a couple of tunnel boat drivers and one tunnel boat builder that used to race kneelers tell me that the tunnels were more like runabouts than hydros. Sure doesn't look like it to me, but that's what the guys that have raced both tell me. They were talking about real runabouts though. Looks to me like anyone that can drive a hydro should be able to drive one of those things they call runabouts now.

[888race]

9 DRAIN PLUGS AND VERY LIGHT JERRY DID A GREAT JOD
PAUL:p

[jsilvestri]

Boat looks great! How much does it weight? Who makes the nose pieces?

[HRTV]

Will all these light new boats mean more blow overs on the straights :confused: hang on guys its going to be a fun summer :D

[HRTV]

No thanks Brandt :D :D :D :D 20SSH is my cup of tea :cool: you just stay out of 20SSH :p

[HYDRO21Z]

Hey Brandt,
You know I am gonna be on your inside right?:D I think we
just might put the fear in Dan:D Lets see how you handle
your Tec Craft with a RunneCraft sandwich. Ha Ha :D
Dennis 21Z

("The overlooked one in the family" ;) )

[HRTV]

Originally posted by bvh56
I am racing 20 at Denton and Sharptown just for you!:D

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[HRTV]

Originally posted by HYDRO21Z
Hey Brandt,
You know I am gonna be on your inside right?:D I think we
just might put the fear in Dan:D Lets see how you handle
your Tec Craft with a RunneCraft sandwich. Ha Ha :D
Dennis 21Z

("The overlooked one in the family" ;) )

Thats ok I will get Darens dog to take a dump in both your boats at Whitney Point :D :D Hey Daren make sure your dog does not take a crap during the whole trip across the country. He should be pretty backed up by the time you guys reach Whitney Point :D please find me the minute you roll in I have a job for your dog :D :D

[HRTV]

:eek: If anyone finds a yellow Tec Craft on the side of the highway during your trip to Whitney Point please pick up the pieces and bring them up :(

[jsilvestri]

Dan,
Did you give up running CSH and solely concentrating on 20ssH now? See you in the first turn.

[HRTV]

Hey Joe yep I only plan to run 20SSH :D

[HRTV]

Does it show that I am a little upset after the latest virus destroyed my brand new labtop and home desktop

[888race]

boat weight is 89 lbs nose is by tom cronk
thanks paul:p

[Tom Cronk]

Dan
Don't worry Hooten will be running 20 at Whitny Point too.Dan
are you still going to add a new forum for race information.Send
me a private email
Tom :cool:

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Admin
Thats ok I will get Darens dog to take a dump in both your boats at Whitney Point :D :D Hey Daren make sure your dog does not take a crap during the whole trip across the country. He should be pretty backed up by the time you guys reach Whitney Point :D please find me the minute you roll in I have a job for your dog :D :D

You got it Dan!!!!! And if I see yellow boat along the way to NY, I will push it aside...............:D :D :D

[Jakeroub]

Speaking of weights...... Whats a competative weight range for a 20ssH without hardware? Thanks.

Jake B.

[G Stillwill]

Just need to add hardware and the windshield and ready to start the AMOD next

[G Stillwill]

and another

[G Stillwill]

last one

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Jakeroub
Speaking of weights...... Whats a competative weight range for a 20ssH without hardware? Thanks.

Jake B.

around the 100lb area......

[mercguy]

I bet it looks better in person! I am almost done with my CSR also..............pictures did not come out to good, as it was kinda dark in the garage......

[Andrew 4CE]

Originally posted by G Stillwill
last one


WOW! Great job! Hope I get to see it in person some time!

[DeanFHobart]

To George Stillwell,(1962 ASH National Champion),

Nice looking boat.... is it an ASH or? Who will be driving it?

See you at the races.

Thanks, Dean Hobart:D :cool:

[G Stillwill]

Thanks Andrew and Dean, if your going to be at Whitney Point all three boats will be there , Im just finishing up the ribs for the other two now. They will be made out of the same wood as this one. Dean this one is an ASH/AXH boat and is a Fralick design. That was my Dad that won ASH in 62 after wading threw 137 A hydros as he wasnt quailfied. He passed away in 1993. Im going to run this one and the other two Im building, Amod and BSH they are Fralick design to. I havent raced since 1979 but have been in hydros on the lake when I get the chance. This is me last Nov when I was in Fl. Hey Daren it does look alot better in person as the pictures dont pick up the grain in the wood very well.

[Frank]

Here (I hope) is a picture of my Champion. Hope to turn over by the end of February. Building to buzz the local lake.

Frank

[DeanFHobart]

George,

Thanks for the update. Imagine, 137 A Stock Hydros at the Nationals..... you had to be GOOD to win... and your dad was. He had to beat guys like Billy Hutchins, Donald Christy and lots more.

What kind of motor is on the 33-W hydro?

See you at the races.

Best Regards, Dean Hobart:D :cool:

[Dr. Thunder]

Anyone have plans for an open 4-5 boat race trailer with motor box they can post here or send via email?

Or, better yet, anyone out here on the West Coast with one that can be re-furbished?

[Kevin Martin]

YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH DICK RAUTENBURG, HE HAS TWO TRAILERS. KEVIN

[Abbott Racing]

After being unable to find a CMOD rig, I've opted to order a new Arltralite Bmod/CSH. Due to take delivery in late March. After 27 years of racing I may have to add lead to a boat for the very first time Now all I need to do is find a Bmod motor!!!!!!!!

The phot below is what the hulls look like.

[Jakeroub]

Nice stealth paint on there!!!

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Frank
Here (I hope) is a picture of my Champion. Hope to turn over by the end of February. Building to buzz the local lake.

Frank

another Champion to hit the water soon!! Frank what are you going to use for power? Mine is getting converted 20H power this season...........if I find time to use it. Maybe I should just sell it and get an FEH................:D :D

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Frank
Here (I hope) is a picture of my Champion. Hope to turn over by the end of February. Building to buzz the local lake.

Frank


Frank, I would love to see more pictures of your Champion as you go along. You can email them to me at www.mercguy@hotmail.com or if I can help you in any way with yours, please feel free to ask..........


sounds like there are enough Champion BU's being built and ran nowadays to be able to have our own full field of them to race.....

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Abbott Racing
After being unable to find a CMOD rig, I've opted to order a new Arltralite Bmod/CSH. Due to take delivery in late March. After 27 years of racing I may have to add lead to a boat for the very first time Now all I need to do is find a Bmod motor!!!!!!!!

The phot below is what the hulls look like.

I would really like to see a picture of the bottom and inside of the cockpit of that cool machine.......:cool:

[Frank]

Originally posted by mercguy
another Champion to hit the water soon!! Frank what are you going to use for power? Mine is getting converted 20H power this season...........if I find time to use it. Maybe I should just sell it and get an FEH................:D :D

Daren,

My current engine plans are a stock KE7 for the kids and a rat racer type engine for myself - a mark28 power head, wizard midsection tower, with an adapter plate to run a KG4 lower unit. Any thoughts?

I am looking for a second KG4 lower unit for a future mark25 project.

Regards,

Frank

[Abbott Racing]

Once I take delivery I'll pass on some more photos

[G Stillwill]

Dean the boat in the picture is a 10'3 Bezoats with a 25XS on it. Its a really good handling boat.

[arltralite]

carbon fiber FEH almost ready for paint

[STEVE FRENCH]

Matt, what does that one weigh?

[Abbott Racing]

sweet looking boat, great job Matt!

[arltralite]

I dont want to say to much about this boat untill Ocoee.

[arltralite]

Fred Flintstone's hydoplane

[sam]

That's a good one!:)

[David_L6]

That is something else! :cool:


Think you can build me a couple of 4 cyl Mercs out of carbon fiber? If you can, go ahead and throw a 6 banger in too. :eek:

[DaveAugustineSr]

Augustine Racing is building 2 boats at this time,125H ang CSH,for Gary and Sean.We had lots of help today and will put the bottom on the 125 on Mon.We would be further along but I have been making a lot of the parts.Weused all of Pops leftover wood and then all of Bill Huson's and still have to buy more framing wood if we can find it.There is no Sidka or Obeche in DC.
Note to MJR: Its harder to build one with curved cockpit sides.
But,it looks fast aready!!
I will post pictures soon as I can get Gary or Sean orDavid to do it. Dave deserted today,went to Daytona for the 5oo.All the scraps from this project go into a boat for the little ART drivers.It will be a real composite boat,so we dont know what it will be.
But it will have a motor!

[HRTV]

Hey Dave I might stop by on Monday with my digital camera, what is the code word to get in this top-secret area :D

[DaveAugustineSr]

The code word is "I'm wearing old clothes so I can help spread glue"

[HRTV]

See ya Monday :D

[Composite Specialties]

I know! the C-Stock Lexan nose will be much easier.

Just wait until you get to cut and fit the fiberglass nose, Fun!

[crankbearing]

Hey Marc,

I can vouch for that, Dave Sr. Wear your long glove and a sweater to cover the arms. I was scratching for a week after cutting that nose.

It is a trial and fit process for sure.

Regards,

[Sean Augustine]

Further note on the composite boat for the kids: Dad covered a shaped piece of styrofoam with resin and let it dry. When it dried, Dad carried it over to me and said, "I think this will work".

So, I immediately smashed it into Ian's arm and then Dad's chest. The thing worked perfect - broke apart and didn't hurt either one of them...well they both said "ouch!" and "cut it out!"... but I think it'll work for sponson tips, etc.

We've got a second test planned for Monday but we have to wait for Dan to show up...

Sean

[jsilvestri]

Sean,
Did you design the boat yourself, or is it someone elses design? Will you be posting any pics of the new craft?

[mercguy]

Originally posted by Frank
Daren,

My current engine plans are a stock KE7 for the kids and a rat racer type engine for myself - a mark28 power head, wizard midsection tower, with an adapter plate to run a KG4 lower unit. Any thoughts?

I am looking for a second KG4 lower unit for a future mark25 project.

Regards,

Frank

Frank, email me direct, I might be able to help you out.....

[wings18]

Here's the lastest in our production of three C-Hydro's

[wings18]

another one

[wings18]

sorry about the spots on the camara lens

[wings18]

last one

[arltralite]

center deck goes down tomorrow. should be finished by sunday

[roperz111]

Awesome news guys. I'm looking forward to seeing the pics!

Chris Johnson
111-Z

:cool:

[Sean Augustine]

Got the bottom and chines finished on the 125 today - still no pics...sorry.

Big Dave said that he and Pop are going to get a lot done tomorrow while the rest of us go back to our real jobs.

Joe S. - all the credit for the design goes to Marc Johnson.

More later,
Sean

Hey Dan - where were you?

[HRTV]

Wife went out for the day and left me with the baby :mad: I got the old I lost track of time story when she got back home :mad:

[Sean Augustine]

We had four munchkins there on Saturday and two today - bring the baby...we always need more workers.

Sean

[sam]

Dan, that girl has to start learning about race boats some time .... :D

[HRTV]

Ok where was everyone :confused: they must have heard I was coming over today becuase the place was a ghost town :D Just mom & pop :D

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[jeff55v]

Road signs make great transom protectors! Just cut it to size and turn the painted side in toward the transom when you install it.

I mean... that's what I've heard. I'd never do something like that!

Geez... I'm such a redneck!:rolleyes:

Check out the beer cans on top of the motors. At least in MY shop the empty beer cans make it to the overflowing trash can! lol

[Dave_E71]

Jeff,

Those would be Coke cans not beer :)

If you look close there are 2 250 hydros, a 500 hydro, 2 kayaks hanging from the ceiling and a b mod/ old 125 hydro kit hanging on the wall. That's Garys 125 boat under construction and Seans CSH hiding in the stack of plywood....
What you cant see is the other 250 hydro, 2 350 hydros and the 700 capsule boat outside, I think this place is like the elephant graveyard for boats. :D Then there's dads house where all the stock stuff hangs out.

Dave

[HRTV]

I remember going to pop Augustines house when I was just a little kid :D there is a lot of history behind the Augustine race camp in Landover Maryland :) Its like a musem of boat racing history, the Denton Maryland race posters from 1955 !

[Dave M]

Nice looking MJR Hull !!! A Mini DA sander works well to get that nasty epoxy off where the deck will not cover the glue line at the frame level. Otherwise Acetone works right after you install the framing. Just don't le tit run into the structural portion of the Epoxy, West Tells me it weakens it a ton, I tested that and it does indeed take away about 3/4 of the strength.

I love the lines on the front where your deck will meet the bottom. Nice curves, kinda like a nice lady, gotta have nice curves !!!:D

[HRTV]

Everyone please forgive me for this comment but are you getting boat builders wood looking at these photos Dave ? :D

[wings18]

more photo's

[wings18]

more

[wings18]

still plugging away

[wings18]

couple more

[wings18]

last one

[Dave M]

Originally posted by Admin
Everyone please forgive me for this comment but are you getting boat builders wood looking at these photos Dave ? :D

Dan, I think you get a time out for that one !!!! And oh yeah, I get Wood looking at all the cool stuff people build. M<yself, I am up to my elbows in the graphite wood !!

[HRTV]

:( :( :( :( Sorry Dave I'm in time out now !:cool:

[arltralite]

Originally posted by Admin
Everyone please forgive me for this comment but are you getting boat builders wood looking at these photos Dave ? :D

some carbon fiber to stiffen things up

[arltralite]

more carbon

[arltralite]

more

[mercguy]

Originally posted by arltralite
more

VERY nice job!! Question for ya....how do you keep the carbon fiber material from "stretching" of moving out of shape when applying it?? What kind of laminating/finishing resin do you use?

[arltralite]

Originally posted by mercguy
VERY nice job!! Question for ya....how do you keep the carbon fiber material from "stretching" of moving out of shape when applying it?? What kind of laminating/finishing resin do you use?

thanks. take your time when handling and placing the material. lots of experimenting and practice. i use a aircraft laminating epoxy. west system also makes a high end laminating epoxy.

[HYDRO21Z]

I just made my first attempt at carbon fibre application on
the coaming for my new boat. It looks and feels very strong,
but the finished product had small openings between the
fibers that exposes the laminate underneath.
Is the aircraft/high grade epoxy that much different that the
105/205 west system?
I was hoping for a better finished result, but I suppose for a
first attempt it worked pretty well.
Any tips would be helpfull.
Thank you,
Dennis 21Z

[Andrew 4CE]

WOW Matt! What size boat is that??

If you want anything like that in the Toronto Sportmens Show let me know, inboard, outboard, whatever. We need the boats, that would sure draw attention even if not completed!!

Leaving in 7 hrs for Florida, got your hardware ready to go.

Andrew

[arltralite]

Originally posted by HYDRO21Z
I just made my first attempt at carbon fibre application on
the coaming for my new boat. It looks and feels very strong,
but the finished product had small openings between the
fibers that exposes the laminate underneath.
Is the aircraft/high grade epoxy that much different that the
105/205 west system?
I was hoping for a better finished result, but I suppose for a
first attempt it worked pretty well.
Any tips would be helpfull.
Thank you,
Dennis 21Z

Dennis

the laminating resins wet out the fibers much easier than 105 west system. you can try sanding the part and coating it with west 105/207 to get a smoother finish. wash the residue off your part with warm soapy water before sanding, it will save time, effort and sandpaper. also besure to coat the resine with a uv protectant.
good luck

matt

[HydroKyle93R]

also besure to coat the resine with a uv protectant.

Does carbon fiber burn in the sunlight?
I ran a carbon fiber boat all year in the sun and it didnt seem to be affected, maybe because of the resin?

[Bill Blackwell]

Hey Kyle,
You need to take a closer look at the condition of the carbon fiber on those 2 carbon boats you've been driving. They are degrading from UV, but I don't think it's serious...yet.
Are you and your dad building anything new for this year? Say hi to your dad for me.
Bill B.

[Bill Huson]

"Does carbon fiber burn in the sunlight?
I ran a carbon fiber boat all year in the sun and it didnt seem to be affected, maybe because of the resin?"

No, UV doesn't degrade carbon fiber, at least not RE lifetime of a raceboat. But UV kicks the poop outta WEST resin. WEST has a new resin that r4esists UV, but I would still coat the part with a UV blocking finish. Life of WEST in the sun is less than one racing season - starts to turn white and then just powders/flake off.

[HYDRO21Z]

Matt,
Thanks for the reply. I normally use the West 105/207 as the
sealer for the outside of the boat then coat that with a high
grade varnish (for UV protection) and have been pleased with
the final results. I like a natual wood finish, plus much easier
to match than paint once an OOPS :eek: happens.
My new boat I plan to use Imron Clear instead of Varnish.
I want the natural finish to look wet all the time and I believe
the Clear will do that.
Will you suggest some brands of laminating epoxy that I could
use for my projects?

By the way I used a Vac Bag for the first time on this project.
Amazing way to clamp things. I know not new technology, but
a first for me and it was impressive.

One last question please. The Laminating resin, does it reduce
the dispersion of the carbon fibres, to achieve a tight weave
result?
Thanks alot for the great advice,
Dennis 21Z

Again the ability to communicate here with other racers and the
sharing of information is priceless!
Thanks Dan! :D :D :D

[arltralite]

Originally posted by Bill Huson
"Does carbon fiber burn in the sunlight?
I ran a carbon fiber boat all year in the sun and it didnt seem to be affected, maybe because of the resin?"

No, UV doesn't degrade carbon fiber, at least not RE lifetime of a raceboat. But UV kicks the poop outta WEST resin. WEST has a new resin that r4esists UV, but I would still coat the part with a UV blocking finish. Life of WEST in the sun is less than one racing season - starts to turn white and then just powders/flake off.

well said

[arltralite]

there are many different manufactureres of laminating resins. lots of different potlifes and working times. see your supplier to see what is available to you. the west system laminating resin is really nice. i cant remember the name/number right now, but i will get back to you.

[arltralite]

"By the way I used a Vac Bag for the first time on this project.
Amazing way to clamp things. I know not new technology, but
a first for me and it was impressive."


not to many ways to get close to 2000lbs/sq ft clamping. just about everything i build is vacuum bagged.

[arltralite]

window installed. sorry about the dots in the pic

[arltralite]

transom view

[arltralite]

csh bottom under vac bag

[arltralite]

csh deck under vac bag. pop and trim the parts tomorrow. maybe even stick it together.

[HRTV]

Sweet rig, but one thought ? (disclaimer :D)I have never built a boat in my life and would not even no where to begin. But having raced for a number of years that throttle position looks scary to me :confused:

[arltralite]

Originally posted by Admin
Sweet rig, but one thought ? (disclaimer :D)I have never built a boat in my life and would not even no where to begin. But having raced for a number of years that throttle position looks scary to me :confused:

i knew someone would say that. its very comfortable and thats where the owner wanted it.

[Composite Specialties]

Matt,

Excellant work, I have waited a long time to see someone do what you are doing with the molds. You have the vision and the ability to take boat building to a whole new level. Why would anyone want a wood boat when you can produce these.

Faster turn around build time, more durable in accidents and will consistantly hold its shape year after year.

Goodbye to the old days and hello to the new, Carbon Composite Hydros by Matt! Very impressive.

[pro350hydro]

Sweet Looking boats. Nice carbon fiber work. Please keep us posted with your progress and pictures.

Thanks

[mercguy]

Originally posted by arltralite
transom view

very nice job Matt, I suspect you will be getting alot more business now, after posting the pictures.!

Could you explain the vacuum bag process a little? I know it creates more strength and less material loss, etc, but am very curious about the procedure......IF, you have some spare time to elaborate.

[mercguy]

Originally posted by arltralite
csh bottom under vac bag

looks like a VERY expensive roll of carbon fiber back there!!!

[Dave_E71]

We took the 125 boat off the jig yesterday....

[Dave_E71]

still need to fit the nose and motor board....

[Dave_E71]

Ok, now how wide is the cockpit supposed to be?

[Dave_E71]

One guy working and four watching....

[Dave_E71]

.

[Dave_E71]

end of the day...

[arltralite]

I started this csh on thursday its monday now. the cowl is actually for the feh, i just thought it looked cool.

[arltralite]

Originally posted by mercguy
I would really like to see a picture of the bottom and inside of the cockpit of that cool machine.......:cool:

no pics of the bottom but here is one of the cockpit less the dash.

[arltralite]

the csh seems like a toy after working on the feh
sorry about the dust in the air

[Tom Cronk]

Dave-E71
Are any of these boats going to make it south this month???
Tom

[Jeff Lytle]

Hi Matt:

First, I'd like to say you should be proud to be one of a select few who are taking the 1st steps in a new part of Outboard Racing History. You and Dave will be remembered, long after you leave this Sport for what you've done, and what you're doing now to change boat design and construction. Congratulations.

Question: What do you figger' that FE boat will weigh rigged ?

[Dave_E71]

Not sure Tom, as far as I know none of the pro boats are headed your way (that pesky work stuff) but a couple of 20's may be headed south

Dave

[Tom Cronk]

Dave
Thats good ,We need 20's at Lakeland this year.
Tom

[arltralite]

Originally posted by Jeff Lytle
Hi Matt:

First, I'd like to say you should be proud to be one of a select few who are taking the 1st steps in a new part of Outboard Racing History. You and Dave will be remembered, long after you leave this Sport for what you've done, and what you're doing now to change boat design and construction. Congratulations.

Question: What do you figger' that FE boat will weigh rigged ?

Jeff
no comment on the feh right now. the csh weighs in at 70lbs right now, 75 by the time i get the dash and a few other little add ons (no hardware)

Matt

p.s. i will post some pics of the time in sydenham we tryed the 125 on my 25ssh.

[Jeff Lytle]

Cool !! Wish we hadn't had the ignition problems that day. You would have been hooked !

By the was----It was a 250cc :eek:

[Abbott Racing]

OK Matt, we know the FEH is Florida bound this weekend, so we are waiting for the Colour photos of the painted boat!!!!!

Also make sure to send photos of the boat in thw water etc..... Brian Hendrick has his email hookup in Florida so get him to post photos.

[ryan_4z]

Originally posted by Jeff Lytle
Hi Matt:

First, I'd like to say you should be proud to be one of a select few who are taking the 1st steps in a new part of Outboard Racing History. You and Dave will be remembered, long after you leave this Sport for what you've done, and what you're doing now to change boat design and construction. Congratulations.

Question: What do you figger' that FE boat will weigh rigged ?


When we are talking about taking these steps, we must not forget about Bob Trolian. he has been building fiberglass and carbon fiber boats for many years now. He is the first true innovator when it comes to bringing this technology to our sport. Although certainly, Matt is taking it to the next level. Nice work.

[ryan_4z]

Originally posted by Jeff Lytle
Hi Matt:

First, I'd like to say you should be proud to be one of a select few who are taking the 1st steps in a new part of Outboard Racing History. You and Dave will be remembered, long after you leave this Sport for what you've done, and what you're doing now to change boat design and construction. Congratulations.

Question: What do you figger' that FE boat will weigh rigged ?


When we are talking about taking these steps, we must not forget about Bob Trolian. he has been building fiberglass and carbon fiber boats for many years now. He is the first true innovator when it comes to bringing this technology to our sport. Although certainly, Matt is taking it to the next level. Nice work.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Matt, what changes are there in new csh to the one I bought through Ian 31E ?
-----------------
who will be running the new csh?? What motor?

hydroracer19p@yahoo.com

[arltralite]

steve

i didnt make any changes to the new boat (csh) over yours. i will have a 102 in florida to run on it in osy 400 if nobody else wants to.

the csh will be plain carbon finish. you will have to wait untill i get to florida to see what the feh looks like.

[STEVE FRENCH]

MATT, Send me 4 of those decals with invoice to;
po box 0370
Corry, Pa. 16407-0370
--------------------------
Thanks!! My first race will be Millville. See ya there??
----------------------
GOOD LUCK IN FLORIDA!! (wish I could make it!!)
--------------------
Steve 19P:rolleyes:

[wings18]

here's the lastest Archie, 11/16 of the way down

[wings18]

under the dashboard shot

[wings18]

front view

[wings18]

front view again .......love the looks of a wooden boat

[wings18]

last of the front views

[wings18]

another shot

[wings18]

rear view

[wings18]

top view

[wings18]

what can I say

[arltralite]

Originally posted by Abbott Racing
OK Matt, we know the FEH is Florida bound this weekend, so we are waiting for the Colour photos of the painted boat!!!!!

Also make sure to send photos of the boat in thw water etc..... Brian Hendrick has his email hookup in Florida so get him to post photos.

here is a pic of the feh after it blew over. note there is no rear cowl. i think some aligator is going to have a nice new home. as light as carbon fiber is, its specific gravity is heavier than water. next cowl will have some foam floatation. did any one take a picture of the boat with the rear cowl? i video taped the blow over, as soon as i figure out how to post it you can watch it.

[HRTV]

Hey Matthew good to chat with you in Ocoee your team member logo is on the way :D Get some sleep talk about a major road trip I think Matthew drove 1400 miles ! One way !

[STEVE FRENCH]

Matt,
Rig worked very well. Was able to jack motor much higher and largest wheel really started to come on Sunday. Longer length (77") and tall tower/setting motor back really helped offset lift in 30H foot. Will now work on moving farther up in boat (will pull wheel 6" extension and move throttle up).
My blowover was in A-mod/Webster--gust hit in middle of turn and could not back out in time.. Managed to put throttle hand through deck (easy fix). Motor ok.
Got a really nice photo of Arlte rig from guy selling photos from Sat. A little price'y but very nice shot. Will try to down size and post when we get home. Did you get any shots?
Still in Palm Coast waiting out weather man!!
Gator Nationals were great!! Nothing like top fuel and Nitro Funnie cars!! (although stacks on a mod do come close).:D
Hope to see ya all at Millville>>>Franklin for sure;)
---------------
19P:cool:

[Mike Beegle]

Here is my new b mod started last weekend....

[Mike Beegle]

dont know how to get more than one pic on a reply

[Mike Beegle]

one more

[jsilvestri]

Mike,
Nice pics. What kind of boat are you building? Is it your own design or someone elses'? Kind of looks like a Roper jig and cockpits. Looking forward to seeing more pics.

[Composite Specialties]

That is correct Joe, I just sent him the plans about three weeks ago.

[arltralite]

I just ordered a set of c mod/125cc and d mod hydro plans from Marc. I hope to build a couple carbon boats from the plans. Right now I have 3 csh to build, they should be done in two weeks.

[Jeff Lytle]

Any bigger Mod boats coming ?? Hopefully Louisiana bound ??
Preferably with the number L-6 on the side ??

[David_L6]

I do need something to hang a 44 on... ;) and I'll have a couple of phone calls to Canada on my next bill... :eek:


:D :D :D

[Jeff Lytle]

If yer plannin' on drivin' wun uf them Kanuck botes, yull have tu sturt sayin L-6.............EH?

[jeff55v]

Originally posted by Jeff Lytle
If yer plannin' on drivin' wun uf them Kanuck botes, yull have tu sturt sayin L-6.............EH?

That'll be a big switch for David. Right now David says L-6....y'all.
:)

Hey, I was just looking at all the cool photos you guys have posted and was thinking. When I wrecked a B&H hydro a while back I found that someone had written something on the inside of the right sponson chine. It read "Way to go shmuck!" I was wondering if any of you guys write little notes inside your boats? Little messages that will only be read if the boat gets wrecked.

[nightmoves]

Every boat that I ever had apart or just plain wrecked had some little note attatched. I bought a new one last year and it had notes encapsulated in epoxy all over it, when I asked Reed about it he said wait until you wreck it and then see what I wrote.

nightmoves

[arltralite]

Originally posted by nightmoves
Every boat that I ever had apart or just plain wrecked had some little note attatched. I bought a new one last year and it had notes encapsulated in epoxy all over it, when I asked Reed about it he said wait until you wreck it and then see what I wrote.

nightmoves

i like the one that says "and you thought race crafts were scary"

i dont write anything myself, but i might start.

[Merc1]

Would you consider Building any custom cowls from the carbon fiber?:D

[Mike Beegle]

my buddy was working on a old boat jim sweeny built and it had ....hope not to get jim in trouble.....HERE IS TO SWIMMING WITH BIG _ _ _ _ _ WOMEN..... Ill let you guys fill in the blankes....

I was going to put that inside of mine...

Mike
9-M

[Dave M]

Each and every one I build has something smart alec written inside it, and epoxied over. Just be carefull, the owner may decide to put hatch covers in the decks, and you gotta be caerfull where you put it, especially when the dude has a 9 year old daughter !!!!!!!

[Bill Huson]

Hidden suprises in boats - John McCorvey told me he laminated a Playboy centerfold inside his boats. I think the Augustine crew glues a penny inside the boat, a family safe suprise :-)

[crankbearing]

Hey All,

I just put a tunnel in my buddies "D" Hemp and when I removed the floorboard it say,

"GOOD LUCK YOUR GONNA NEED IT. NO MORE THAN 100FT/LBS"

Sam has no idea who wrote it.

Regards,

[Dave_E71]

not sure what they're doing here...

[Dave_E71]

almost ready for hardware and paint

[Dave_E71]

this one is getting close too

[Dave_E71]

I think it's time to clean the shop again

[Tom Cronk]

Dave
The new boats look real good,are any of them
going to make it to Lakeland next week?????
Tom

[HRTV]

Who is the scary looking guy in the last picture :D

[Abbott Racing]

being a boat builder I understand the use of the spring clamps and the level, but what was that heavy duty hammer lying on the deck of the CSH used for? Assisting the snug fitting pieces or perhaps an attitude adjuster for critics who wander into the shop???? :) LOL

[HYDRO21Z]

Brandt, when did you sstartt sstuttering in you posssts?
:D :D :D :D

[Bill Huson]

a much tool at the Hokey Hydro factory. Our motto: Hammer to fit, file to shape, paint to hide.

[Sean Augustine]

Bob,

It's used for both...and I forgot to wipe the West off the handle so that's where it stays :D

Sean

[Mike Beegle]

is the hammer legal to use in the first turn?? Or is that just a mod rule??

[fitsracing]

Originally posted by Sean Augustine
Bob,

It's used for both...and I forgot to wipe the West off the handle so that's where it stays :D

Sean


Sean

Like a hood ornament:rolleyes: ?

Kevin Fitz

[jsilvestri]

Funny thing about this hammer discussion. I was watching a show on Discovery Channel not long ago called "The Great Biker Build Off" and Billy Lane, from Florida, built a bike that had a spot for a hammer. I don't remember exactly what he called it, but I'd never seen or heard of anything like it before. Supposedly, in the 50's and 60's bikers used the hammers to get even with cars who cut them off or flipped them the bird, etc...

Lesson learned, I'll be sure not to give Sean the bird while I'm racing with him this summer in CSH. :D

[Brian10s]

Sean,

The Ropers look GREAT!!! Can't wait to check them out up close and personal.
You make sure your careful at Camden because I want to be the first one to put a racing strip on the new wood, one old Roper to a New one.:D


As for the hammer, Joe, you shouldn't worry. Sean has bad aim for one thing and would probably pull his kill switch on the wind up.

See you guys at Franklin!!

Brian 10s

[jeff55v]

Here's a pic of my boat sittin' in Bill Pavlick's garage after I dropped it off. This old B&H needs a new deck and a couple little repairs here and there. Bill was nice enough to take on this job for me, and I sure appreciate it.
Yes, I'm sure a lot of you folks recognize the old Palmquist paint job.

[jeff55v]

Bill sent me some pics of the boat in progress. He's doing a great job!

[Steve Warnock]

Jeff,

Is/Was this Jerry's DSH that the bottom blew out at the Merc Challenge at Grand Rapids, 1988/89ish?

If so, I saw it happen! The only thing worse would be stuffing it at 75+mph. Something I did in 89 at the Lawenceville, PA National during the test session in BSH(20ci). I was screwed up for about 3 weeks with wiplash headaches and a bruised sturnum.

Jerry was banged up for awhile also!!

Bill P 3rd does nice work!

Warbs

[jeff55v]

Steve, This is the boat that Jerry blew the bottom out of. I was told that Mike Pavlick put the new bottom on it. I think when I get it back from Bill I'll call it a B&H&P.
:)

[crankbearing]

Hey guys,

Here are some pics of a new 25SSH/C Hydro that I am building. This is the one that is for sale with a 25XS. I figure it should be ready by next weekend.

If someone wants the boat only I am not going to cut the transom down until it sells in case someone wants it for C etc...

regards,

[crankbearing]

regards,

[crankbearing]

regards,

[jsilvestri]

Dave,
Nice looking work, I can't wait to see more pictures.

[HydroKyle93R]

Looks like its going together great! Very sharp and good craftsmenship! Cant wait to see and hear more!

[CSR4C]

Pete Schwab, Cincinnati, OH built this C runabout from one of my kits over the winter. He will be racing at the Top'O Michicgan marathon nationsls. This is frist season of racing.
Darrell

[mercguy]

Originally posted by CSR4C
Pete Schwab, Cincinnati, OH built this C runabout from one of my kits over the winter. He will be racing at the Top'O Michicgan marathon nationsls. This is frist season of racing.
Darrell

hey Darrell, I notice something different on the top deck near the dash? Is that a new design air intake air something???

[ryan_4z]

That is very interesting looking. He might want to take a look a that though because 'through the hull air passages' are illegal in runabouts. Wouldnt want the guy to get thrown out in his first race for somthing like that.

[CSR4C]

Air intakes are not legal on stock runabouts. Air must go over the boat, not through it.

[CSR4C]

I called Pete, he said it is a design thing, there are no holes that go though the deck.
Darrell

[Brian10s]

Darrell,
Next time you talk to Pete, let him know that there are some races in his area. I know TRORA has a race only 1/2 hr south in Alexandria, KY and IOA ran one at Zanesville, OH last year.
Not to take anything away for the Marathons but if I built a new boat, I would want to run it as much as I could.

Nice looking piece of wood:D

Brian 10s

[arltralite]

Originally posted by CSR4C
Pete Schwab, Cincinnati, OH built this C runabout from one of my kits over the winter. He will be racing at the Top'O Michicgan marathon nationsls. This is frist season of racing.
Darrell

nice lookin ride. good luck to the rookie driver. i ran a marathon in sault ste marie canada once. 25xs on a d boat just for some guys to get points. i didnt have time to test the package. went out and pounded my kidneys for 40 miles. i would like to try a marathon again in a good set up. i wish there was a marathon in the thousand island region.

[Abbott Racing]

Took delivery of my new CSH Arltralite on Friday, and yes it snowed on the way home!!!

Unloading the boat off of the roof racks was a joy, I could almost have done it on my own.

A big thanks to Matt for putting it all together, now if the 3 feet of ice covering my favorite testing spot would leave I could try it out!

[epugh66]

Just about to get the bottom put on. Thats TWO capsule boats delivered from this shop this year!! Thats the "Rent A Wreck" in the background.

[epugh66]

Third generation craftsman Ryan checks the layup for soundness with a brass faced deadblow. the Halls dont watch this site do they:eek:

[reed28n]

I know that it is a little late but I wanted to justify the " If you thought RaceCrafts were scary remark. I convinced Paul Seeger to buy a RaceCraft A runabout because I am a fan of the boat , and he did, and he did the most magnicent 720 anyone had ever witnessed at Crystal Lake in 2001( it was really awesome) So he thought that it was all boat and not his hopped up adrenalin, over excited, over anxious over driving. So in fact it was a driver related comment and not a boat builder knock.

Bob "Race Craft" Trolian builds an awesome boat. Bob Rocks!!!!!!

Scott Reed

[arltralite]

Originally posted by reed28n
I know that it is a little late but I wanted to justify the " If you thought RaceCrafts were scary remark. I convinced Paul Seeger to buy a RaceCraft A runabout because I am a fan of the boat , and he did, and he did the most magnicent 720 anyone had ever witnessed at Crystal Lake in 2001( it was really awesome) So he thought that it was all boat and not his hopped up adrenalin, over excited, over anxious over driving. So in fact it was a driver related comment and not a boat builder knock.

Bob "Race Craft" Trolian builds an awesome boat. Bob Rocks!!!!!!

Scott Reed

scott

i didnt want to stir the pot with that comment. i figured there was some sort of joke behind it. i wont tell you what i was doing when i noticed the writing. i should be getting around to fixing the prop marks in your racecraft a runabout this week. i might have to charge you storage for the six months its been sitting in my shop

[reed28n]

No worries, I take full responsibility for my actions.
The bottom is going on the FEH today. Rotozip tool works great for cutting panels.

[nightmoves]

The Joey Chitwood Stunt Drivin Machine!

[crankbearing]

Here are some more shots of the new Sorenson 25 that is for sale. The decks are on and the coamings are installed.

Regards,

[crankbearing]

pic2

[crankbearing]

pic3

[arltralite]

here is a pic of a laydown csh for gerald pemberton. the boat beside belongs to joe pemberton. joe's boat is a kneeler.