3 CSH's under construction in Port Angeles WA

[wings18]

Being built by Mike Van Ausdle and John Slater. They will be the same as Sherly Ruckers previous 143R boat with the latest Karelsen updates. photo coming this evening.

[Kevin Martin]

we heard you were copying her old boat, she really misses the boat i think it was just tooo heavy. do you plan on running any apba races, or perhaps even stateline races? kevin

[wings18]

Mike built the yellow boat with fir sides and floor and these will have lighter 10 mil okume sides and floors which should save considerble weight, also some weight saving in the sponsons, each should weight around 125lbs.

[Kevin Martin]

isn't 125 still a bit heavy? the new karelson she has is quite a bit lighter than that. i'm a pro guy so i don't know much about these things. kevin

[wings18]

well if I weigh 200lbs wet with a helmet and kevlar and the motor weighs 100lbs I would still need the boat to weigh 140lbs min to make weight in CSH, Tim Holmans high sided Karelsen weighs in at over 135lbs and seems to be very competitive. he weighs 205lbs without any gear on. I would be very suprised to find out Ed built a CSH less than 120lbs seeing how he told Mike that it is difficult to get the "true" weight of a CSH less than 130 without compromising the strength of the boat and still maintain the integrity of the bottom and flying surface. When Mike built 143R straight off of the table it weighed about 135. I know that this boat has been in several wrecks and I am sure that the all of the repairs and extra glue etc. has added a lot of weight to it.

Been a long time since those days on the pond @ elk river
see ya Kev

[mercguy]

Originally posted by wings18
Mike built the yellow boat with fir sides and floor and these will have lighter 10 mil okume sides and floors which should save considerble weight, also some weight saving in the sponsons, each should weight around 125lbs.

that is pretty thick for the sides isn't it" I agree a CSH should be in the 130lb range.........

[wings18]

Actually 10 mil sides @ the height that we're building these boats ( 21" at the cockpit sides) Is standard for a high side Karelsen. When Mike built 143R it was lofted in on a 20 inch side. Pat Kelley's boat, (38R,) is a high sided Karelsen with a 21" side, Tim Holman's boat , is 22" high with a honeycomb side.When Mike was working with Ed on the 143R project Ed sugested the fir for the high sides to keep it from blowing out when coming into contact with the pilots hip. We have decided to keep the looks of the okume and add a doubler on the right inside of the cockpit side to add strength. The higher you go with the sides, the stronger it has to be. We have calculated the difference in weight in these boats and have come to the conclusion that a difference in 1.5 to 1.7 pounds is an acceptable varience in the completed project and we are willing to accept that.

[Kevin Martin]

you make some great points, like i said i just work on them i'm not too awfully familiar with weights and such. i weigh 200 and i make c weight in sheryls new boat, so your theory works even in my application. i just know i picked up her boat over my shoulder, when i was moving it to the shop to be painted, it didn't seem that heavy to me. got another elk river run in ya. kevin

[Kevin Martin]

i looked in your bio don't know who i'm talking to, who is this. kev

[wings18]

I love racing Elk River, started racing there in 1991 and last raced there in 2000 i think, It was the weekend of blistering heat. This is John Slater 962R see ya man. will post photo's tonight of 3 layed up hydros.

[Kevin Martin]

HEY JOHN HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE, SAW ANDY AT EATONVILLE LAST YEAR, HIS C MOD LOOKS REAL GOOD KEVIN

[sponsonhead]

Hey Slater,

Who are the other two boats for, does Mike have customers or is he just building them on speculation?

Is he interested in building any D boats?

R-19/84-R

[DeanFHobart]

My CSH / OSY400 / 125cc hydro weighs in at 90 lbs. It has been raced in all three classes. This boat is basically a Bezoats CSH kit with a few modifications. Shanon does a great job on these kits. You can build a light boat using thin plywood skins, narrow stringers, big holes!!!!!, and composite / carbon fiber technology without compromising the structural integrity of the boat. My new 125cc hydro will be less than 90 lbs. That's why their called 'Hobart Ultra Lights' !!!!! See you at the races... Dean Hobart.:D

[Dr. Thunder]

I'm an idiot ... all these years I thought a Hobart Ultra Light was some kind of goofy Tasmanian Beer:D

[wings18]

Sorry guys I was unable to post the photo's, Need to convert to a smaller file size. The answer to Pat's question......let us finish these 3 and possibly next year's project. Archie Parker has purchased 1 with a option for the 2nd and the 3rd one is mine!!

[wings18]

Sorry guys I was unable to post the photo's, Need to convert to a smaller file size. The answer to Pat's question......let us finish these 3 and possibly next year we could fit one in. Dale Bartley has Mike's DSH boat he built years ago, maybe he will sell. Archie Parker has purchased 1 with a option for the 2nd and the 3rd one is mine!! photo's later tonight if the computer lets me.

[HRTV]

Send me the large photos by email I can resize them for you.

Dan

[mercguy]

do you have any Cmod Merc pipes still available??

[wings18]

Sorry Darin all out of 30ci C-Mod pipes,

[wings18]

sorry guy's, Mikes camera is not being very nice right now and I am having a hard time getting Mikes system to accept my camera. We have a few here to post and am sorry there is not more, we will get more pics as soon as we can win the battle of the software problem.

[wings18]

next one

[wings18]

the next one

[epugh66]

How come EVERYBODYS shop looks cleaner and neater that our shop????

[DeanFHobart]

Neal,

Great idea..... Would 'Hobart Ultra Light Beer' sell???????

Dean :D

[DeanFHobart]

Hey you guys in Port Angeles.... really nice looking boats in progress. It's great to see quality work being done. Keep up the good work.
"Remember, always have lots of boats. So when your 'ol lady' gets mad, you can just sell a boat or two and 'still' have lots of boats."
See you at the races. Dean Hobart:D

[jsilvestri]

Nice looking boats! Keep posting pictures, I'd like to see the progress of them.

[Tom Cronk]

Dean
You don't need anymore beer,your to fat know.Next you'll
need a wheel barrel for a 125 boat.(I can build that) Hope
to see Fraddy this weekend at a meeting.
Tom :D :D :D

[mercguy]

Originally posted by epugh66
How come EVERYBODYS shop looks cleaner and neater that our shop????

hey Eric, I talked to Ernie Dawe last night and he said Gary's shop loked just like his garage.......wood and sawdust everywhere!!:D

he then said that he was amazed at the shop Seebold has........like a hospital emergency room...............SO CLEAN!! Probably too clean for any of us to work in!:rolleyes:

[andy 409 r]

After visiting this shop I can Guarantee you any type of beer would be a big seller! Also make sure John posts a picture of one of the boats on the elevator(how many shops can boast that?) Hey John I'm guessing yours is the one that is upside down! Watch for the plans they used to be featured on "Antiques Roadshow" someday soon. Ed Karelson originals, similar in appearance to do***ents used to loft the Mayflower.
Terrific quality control at this operation. A fine example of the results of an American public school education!
The Teach

[Kevin Martin]

hey andy good to see you here, the westerners are starting to come out of the woodwork, nice to see. how goes the school year. kev

[Dr. Thunder]

Just came back from Hurricane Ridge on the Olympic Peninsula ... where in Port Angeles are these being built?

[wings18]

In the basement of the FAR HORIZONS antique mall on first st, Check with Mike @ the front desk for a guided tour.

Hi Kevin and Holly, big @ little ....kitties

[DeanFHobart]

Tom,

Yep, no beer for me!! I'll be way down by next racing season.

How's the new club coming along? Hope it goes well. Bring that wheel barrow to all the races in case I show up!! Thanks.

Dean:D

[wings18]

another photo

[Tom Cronk]

Are you building these boats in a jig?Havn't seen one
in any of the pictures.Boats do look good,Are you going
to be able to run 20SSH with them.
Tom

[wings18]

Hi Tom, when building these Karelsen boats you don't use a jig. you start with the sides fastened together with the motorboard and dashboard to form a "box" Level it up on the table or saw horses and start attaching the frames. At every step you are constantly checking for true alignment. We are going to set in the sub frames with a lazor that Mike has picked up and is eager to try, we'll post pix of the process. Taking a little break right now, had to get back to work and the family. Also these boats should work great in 20ssh. We're building them an inch wider, (37") and running the traps all the way back but lower at the transom, they should pack more air at a slower speed but maintain good stability in the staights. Take care.

[wings18]

Hi Andy, Nice to see you, I should be back over the pond next weekend.

[Dr. Thunder]

Any progress reports or new photos to share ...

[wings18]

Last Weekend was the super Bowl and I have a Whidbey Island Roostertails board meeting tomorrow, Mike is plugging away as we speak photo's by this time next week. thanks for asking John 962R

[Kevin Martin]

at your meeting what would you think about the topic of getting slora and your club together at least once this season??? we're really working on this topic on our side of the mountains!!! let me know what you think. kev

[wings18]

Hi Kev, Take a look at a map and tell me what you think about Rat Lake, I've been there and feel it would be a perfect lake to have a joint race on. It is located near Brewster. I will bring the issue up today. Thanks John 962R

[Kevin Martin]

I'LL TAKE A LOOK, COULD WE RUN PRO BOATS THERE?