Chargin Charlie

[Five O]

Welcome the newest addition to the Northwest flatties. 1972 Javelin, set up by Al Lapointe, driven by Kip Brown and others. Been under a tarp for a couple years. A touch of glass work, some serious cleaning a few nuts and bolts and it will be good to go.

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[sponsonhead]

Can't wait to show these pics to Al....

R-19

[Five O]

A few more. Seems this boat had a drop through fin on the left chine at the drivers seat. According to LaPointe, this was here long before the SS 400 put on the outer fin. I was told this worked great till about 100 on the straights when it created too much lift. The bottom has since been changed and is supposed to work great.
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[Five O]

Can't wait to show these pics to Al....

R-19

Please do. I spoke to him a couple days ago. I told him I would send him pics. Look forward to talking to him more. I have many more questions. I plan on restoring this boat to like new in its glory days. In the mean time???? It will be on the water.

[boatguy222]

Ror,
Are you opening you own boat shop? LOL
What are you going to do for power in Charlie?
You just gota love the 4 piece cav plate!
Marc

[Five O]

Ror,
Are you opening you own boat shop? LOL
What are you going to do for power in Charlie?
You just gota love the 4 piece cav plate!
Marc


I wish I was opening a boat shop, Kinda looks like it. The worst part is there is another one you cant see.

As for power??? the project has turned "Top Secret"

The plate is cool, its one piece that has cuts to the back of the boat. Its thick and has to be a B to down plate it.

[E-MOTION]

this is Ruby

[boatguy222]

As for power??? the project has turned "Top Secret"


The word in the wind is a big block might be going into it, I don't think thats a good idea, it would turn that little boat into a slug:raincloud:

[Altered Thoughts]

I sure hope that Ror keeps that Al LaPointe boat with the traditional small block E-boat motor. Some people would like to stick in a big block but the boat ran fine in the E-boat with a small block. Dave Weber told me that it was always behind the Marlins but it may have been the excellent driving of the Weber Bros. I'm sure there will be more said on these findings. Jimmy D.

[Five O]

Nice boat E-Motion Looks very clean.

Had a nice talk with Kip Brown. He had alot of seat time in this boat. He also got wet out of it once as well. Got alot of good plate set up info, prop info, rpm info, etc etc. He also said this boat needs a small block. He said the set up that was in it was the best of all, they spent alot of time testing diff set-ups over the years.

[boatguy222]

Nice boat E-Motion Looks very clean.

Had a nice talk with Kip Brown. He had alot of seat time in this boat. He also got wet out of it once as well. Got alot of good plate set up info, prop info, rpm info, etc etc. He also said this boat needs a small block. He said the set up that was in it was the best of all, they spent alot of time testing diff set-ups over the years.

Ror,
That good, if ANYBODY knows that boat it KIP. He basicly learned how to drive in it.
Marc

[Jerkizoid]

I know a little bit about this boat. A very good friend hopes to have it restored for next year and run Nostalgia GPS with small block power. :clever:I hear its driver has won a few, and cant wait to spank my K-boat! :eek:Thank you Ror!

[Five O]

I know a little bit about this boat. A very good friend hopes to have it restored for next year and run Nostalgia GPS with small block power. :clever:I hear its driver has won a few, and cant wait to spank my K-boat! :eek:Thank you Ror!

Your very welcome, in fact Thank You. Sounds like your making some good progress. Im looking forward to the spankings to come, Me included Im sure.:yes: Or maybe I should just stay seated in the Captain America chairs and watch.

Tell Blondie to start working on her left leg muscles, that thing has one thick plate to push down. :)

BTW, I have the new tabs for the trailer, Ill try to get them to you.

[boatguy222]

I just go off the phone with Mr Jerk, it sounds like he AND Robin are working very hard on the bottom. Sounds like it is becoming quite the family project:pillow:

[Jerkizoid]

Fiberglass repairs complete. Epoxe Resin poured into the chine crack while boat is on its side then layer upon layer of glass grindings and hair dropped in and packed from the bottom up. A seringe worked well to add a layer of resin one squease at a time and them mixed into the cavity. Under deck plywood reattached with mat and epoxe.
Robin spend 3 hours cleaning cootees. May bring it to Waites without motor if anyone is interested. Looking for an 85 or later Ford 302.

[boatguy222]

Fiberglass repairs complete. Epoxe Resin poured into the chine crack while boat is on its side then layer upon layer of glass grindings and hair dropped in and packed from the bottom up. A seringe worked well to add a layer of resin one squease at a time and them mixed into the cavity. Under deck plywood reattached with mat and epoxe.
Robin spend 3 hours cleaning cootees. May bring it to Waites without motor if anyone is interested. Looking for an 85 or later Ford 302.

Boyd you big tease! post some pictures of Robin's hard work. If you make everybody wait until Waitt's Lake we may all forget what the boat looks like!

[Altered Thoughts]

It will be fun to see a real E-boat , with a real E-boat cubic inch motor run. I'm sure Drewbee can build you a motor than can be representative and respectible for the old class. Good luck with your project.

[Jerkizoid]

so you want pictures, forget it..........trust me its a bad moped with chevy power....Ror is procuring the engine.

[boatguy222]

Well if Ror is doing the power then you guys should be ready by Waitt's lake, Right?

[Five O]

Well if Ror is doing the power then you guys should be ready by Waitt's lake, Right?

Yep, Waitts.....2012 :)

[Jerkizoid]

found a cherry Isky 505 roller cam for it! We ran one of these in the Diamond Lil dragster way back when. Only ran 168mph in a 358!

[Five O]

found a cherry Isky 505 roller cam for it! We ran one of these in the Diamond Lil dragster way back when. Only ran 168mph in a 358!

Perfect...The cam that the engine has has two lobes loosing hardfacing. Let me know if I need to look for lifters, solid or hyd.

[boatguy222]

Perfect...The cam that the engine has has two lobes loosing hardfacing. Let me know if I need to look for lifters, solid or hyd.

I thought you guys were running a Ford in that boat? boy, I just can keep up! LOL

[Five O]

I thought you guys were running a Ford in that boat? boy, I just can keep up! LOL

The problem is you were thinking....;) We have been trying to avoid that for years...:p

Yeah, now its gittin a SBC

[Jerkizoid]

Charley has some improvements: chine repair neccessary from the addition of balsa filler to extend the chine lower to the bottom (used to be an inch higher stock and now lowered app 2") and a crash cracked this area.
Many hours were spent carefully applying epoxe resin via a vet hyperdermic needle one bead at a time and stuffing glass filings and mat strands down the entire fill area. Of course this would not be possible if Jimmie had not loaned his boat rotisery to let gravity set those materials in the correct spot. The crack appeared to be 2 to 3inches deep and 28 inches long.

[Jerkizoid]

Note, the whole boat bottom and sides has been blueprinted (filled and reformed) with that pink stuff (body bondo) and there is where the problem lies, bondo absorbs water. Peelin goin on everywere thats 1/8 to 1/4" deep. This all has to be ground out and replaced with figerglass reinforced marine filler. I have more itching going on than a poison ivy victim! Robin and I are quite excited to bring this one off prototype to life! I found a 1965 sbc 327, shouldnt this boat deserve a period correct engine?

[Five O]

Looking great Boyd. Im ready to prime/paint anytime. All my weekends are free for a while. I moved that wood boat out so I have plenty of room here or I can come there and spray those areas. Just let me know.

A period correct 327 would be great, but I keep buying parts for this 350??? Pistons came last week. ARP fastners came yesterday. Crank should be done next week. After the short block is together, Ill finish the heads.

[boatguy222]

hey, you guys better hurry up the race is next weekend!

BTW She is looking pretty good!:congrats:

[Jerkizoid]

Paul Grichar also drove this boat. Talked to the Legend yesterday and he had already heard of Robins good fortune so he talked and talked. Seems Al came to Burley with this craft 2 days early for testing (which anyone can do) and Paul helped with the set up. There were rudder-steering issues I am told and Kip raced it that weekend. Anyone know how it fared against competition?

Incidently Win Phillips from Wyoming recenty recovered from surgery and is now doing well. He was puttering around the Gritches' engine shop.

[Jerkizoid]

The problem is you were thinking....;) We have been trying to avoid that for years...:p

Yeah, now its gittin a SBC

Ya but I got all the stuff for an all aluminum 427! Decisions decisions.

Robin stated she would like to go around the Burley Island once or twice...:o

[Five O]

I forgot to ask when I talked to you the other day. Did Al tell you the original name of Charlie. I cant remember what it was, Kip told me, but didnt write it down. The name changed to Charlie pretty early on, but for a bit it carried a diff name, according to Kip.

[Five O]

Hey Jerk.. Got some new wheels for Charlies trailer

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[Altered Thoughts]

Did you get them in a bust or what. J.D.

[Five O]

Dang tweekers, the only thing worth keeping off that POS. Just cant seem to seize anything good anymore. JK

On that note though, we may have a few things commin our way in a couple months. Ill keep you posted.

[Jerkizoid]

after Chuck Skaggs. Is this true?

[Jerkizoid]

Gearbox is apart, 12 degree #62500-2. Wonder what the 2 means? Looks good inside except some rust and salt water residue in he water passage, why does anyone run water thru these in an open boat? Whooops forgot this vdrive is way under the dash, outta sight and cool air! Oh, the top bearing spacer was ingraved 'Bottom' and the bottom one was markd 'Top'! They are 18% so you think that mild 350 needs a different gear to start with? I do looking at the prop.

Does anyone have some 12 degree 22s, 25s or 29s? I would trade 12% 12s! Or, I have a set of 10degree 25s! Anyone?

[Jerkizoid]

Dave Weber told me that it was always behind the Marlins but it may have been the excellent driving of the Weber Bros. I'm sure there will be more said on these findings. Jimmy D.

Right, here is moresaid: The Webers never beat it according to Al. Only Tom Mielke ever came close. You on prescription drugs or just found a new stirrin stick? 29 straight victories, and many records in its day. Last I saw it drag racing, it had way more oil in the bilge than in the pan!

[Jerkizoid]

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Al told us, this is Ted Jones idea and looks similar to what it currently on SS400, the record smashing Jones of Dave Villwock. It's been accused of being a hydrofoil with exterior rudder and side skag.
Point is, this boat had it in 1970! Way ahead of its time with many other tricks like the blueprinted bottom and sides, dropped stringer, hydroplane steering, movable cente cav plate, etc. Still learning myself but if anyone is interested in a private showing, come by and see for yourself.

That side fin worked incredible up to a certain speed,, according to Al and at 7000rpm with that 18 gear it lifted the side, so it was redesigned decades later and installed outside the SS400 hulls flat surface on a special raised tiny sponson looking addition. Interesting?
Hydro hardware on a flat? Dave told me that with additional capsule weight and innovations, he had to drastically change flats hardware and its locations. Then after resetting almost every course record he was protested by almost all his competition, so I have read on the web. Maybe Dave will chine in.

Our 'Charley' boat is shorter than that boat by about 12", I think. So no capsule for us and the 80mph rule will keep the boat quite stable and flat running.

Al also stated that Kelly Stocklin also drove this boat. And Paul Grichar tested it at Burley with the hydro plane steering. What boat hasnt Paul driven???

[Altered Thoughts]

Wonder what the 2 means. Answer-- fix with both eyes open..might have something to do with 12 degree--what ever you do don't put 10 degree gears in like I did on the 10 degree box I bought from a racer guy. JImmy D.

[Jerkizoid]

Some of us, just some, are smart enough to read angles instead of casting numbers.....others just wait long enough until the teeth corners bust off! Then realize a problem of sorts......All types of folks eventually understand what you are saying so dont dismay! And dont dribble out ofbounds!:claphands:

Then there are those who install the big gear at the bottom and really really go fast!:cool:

[boatgeek]

Right, here is moresaid: The Webers never beat it according to Al. Only Tom Mielke ever came close. You on prescription drugs or just found a new stirrin stick? 29 straight victories, and many records in its day. Last I saw it drag racing, it had way more oil in the bilge than in the pan! Im all in. the outher tommy.:poke:

[Jerkizoid]

Not a shortened Jones copy like I had thought, Steve Jones built the special Javelin mold for OUTBOARDS, then sold it to Al. Al produced them and outfitted Hondos to run very hard in circles.

Kelly had two early Jones or Javelins named 'CircleJerk I' and CircleJerk2' maybe this boat is really home!

Dave Bough had one of the fastest around, so I am told.

[Five O]

Picked up the trailer Fri, and was able to put a couple hours into it today. The decking was rot, so it will be getting new decking. Have new lights, wheels, bunks, etc. Charlie deserves a improved ride.
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[E-MOTION]

Picked up the trailer Fri, and was able to put a couple hours into it today. The decking was rot, so it will be getting new decking. Have new lights, wheels, bunks, etc. Charlie deserves a improved ride.
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Might take a hard look at that axle. Are you gonna power it as an SK or as our new northwest E Class? Might be worth a phone call as lots of things are in the air.:happythanksgiving:

[Jerkizoid]

Wow, you did get busy! That leaky tire does not have a obvious leak at the bead or tread, so it may have just been low and sitting didnt help it. I checked with soap and no bubbles. Love the chrome fenders.

Oh, the fuel tank had alum fittings fused together at the feed line so it broke. Nobody believes in antiseize or non-hardening sealer when tightening 2 soft metals together, I guess. So off to the Welders to fix it.

Dave, Robin is running whatever Ror is, she prefers the GPS.

[Jerkizoid]

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I'll be listing these over at performance boats parts spam section but want anyone racing to get first dibs and of course a special price.

Gears are 12 degree but have one set of 10 degree 25s. All right hand prop conversion adapters are available, and the v-drive is actually a Z drive for hydroplanes to add a gear box to direct drive. Have 2 extra V-drive oil pans with pickup tube cheap!

I probably have what you need, just have to find it!

[Jerkizoid]

Short for Chargin Charlie's progress:

[Jerkizoid]

OK, rotated the boat for final fairing and blocking. Thought I could get some Featherfill on today but NO, more delamination between the added Balsa filler and thin outside laminate cloth. After this one was filled, I sanded and prepared once more for spraying then the other baseball size one appeared near the bow! Dang it. Sure glad this boat didnt ram docks like ours do it would have been way worse! Epoxe Resin takes about 4 hours to set at 60 degrees. Another 10 hour day...Turkey soup for lunch, Turkey for din din. Need nap!
Every seam-crack where filler was used to blend in hardware has cracked and had to be filled with epoxe. You can not just let fly with the sander since the contour and blueprint job wont allow that....you have to use three different pad sizes to avoid removing purposeful NONFLAT areas!
The side shot shows where the major crack was that had to be resealed with the boat on its edge....you can see how straight the side should be now with all the feathering and block sanding. I'll do more after the filler is applyed but why not use the layers and layers of paint, primer, and bondo already there!
Can you count the different coats??? I think the green is gel coat backing color. Goes between the white gelcoat and first layer of glass in the mold.
Check out the unusual chine, cant wait to see how Charley turns!

[Jerkizoid]

Is the baseball sized delamination or damage from a hit of some sort. Notice in the center lower left in the green area a small yellow spot, this is weak if you tap it so holes were drilled and epoxe forced into the void and then a weight taped to the repair to flatten the bulge. You can also see the pink bondo smoothing the balsa-glass dropped chine beginning.
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[E-MOTION]

If that snout adapter is for a small block I'm interested.:thewave:

[Jerkizoid]

It's 396-427 internal balance BBC. Came out of my Lavey that I sold. Sorry

[Jerkizoid]

guide coat on. Original motor has been found!

[Jerkizoid]

Sugar Plums dancing in my head while cat fills the air with hair....

[flatrat]

Needs to be warmer than 60 deg., there ol' buddy.I rigged some duel 500w lamp stands to accelerate the
'flashing" process.Works way betta.What kind of materials are your looking for?I have some matting and some other stuffs.The shipping would the problem.....I can deliver it.Need a good reason to go hang with a jErK...and the fuzz.. have prop too..:sleigh:

[Jerkizoid]

Favorite Rat! Just need to buy another sander, I guess two boat projects was too many for it! Wow Christmas cost me a bunch! New injector, and gifts all around....whew. Fuzz?

[flatrat]

Favorite Rat! Just need to buy another sander, I guess two boat projects was too many for it! Wow Christmas cost me a bunch! New injector, and gifts all around....whew. Fuzz?

Injector fer what?:laughingsanta

[Jerkizoid]

is a Bugcatcher Enderle blower style for my 427 going into my Eliminator or my 63 Biscayne! New years parties abound! Stay warm, I have 11 inches!

[lowsodium]

11 inches? Now who's bragging.

[Jerkizoid]

Thats snow inches, I am sure you knew....:rolleyes:

[Adammitchel]

com-puter
Hey,
Boyd and I need to get the boat painted and trailer back so we can start putting it back together real soon. :notme:

We also have a line on a small block motor. Can u let us know when we can get this scheduled and moving, Boyd is at a stalemate issue now. lol :clever:

Robin Schnell
(Adammitchel)
:thewave:

Welcome the newest addition to the Northwest flatties. 1972 Javelin, set up by Al Lapointe, driven by Kip Brown and others. Been under a tarp for a couple years. A touch of glass work, some serious cleaning a few nuts and bolts and it will be good to go.

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[Adammitchel]

com-puter
Boyd is at a stale mate. :clever:
:shucks: so we need to get together and get this boat painted and trailer back soon, plus, Boyd has a line on a sbcm for the boat.:notme: Call me and lets see about getting this scheduled lol:o

Thanks
Robin Schnell
(Adammitchel)
:thewave:

[Five O]

I will call in the morning. I can do it Sunday or ??? I can take a day off next week and finish as well, just not Monday. The trailer can be done by next week as well. Im excited, looking forward to seeing Charlie right-side-up and on a trailer.

[Adammitchel]

Ok, I will be looking for ur call. :)

[Jerkizoid]

More problems, while block sanding, two more bumps showed up in the chine area that was filled with balsa and glass. 4 hours more of work and phone calls to Al and Kip. Estimate cause is that side crack that wasnt repaired correctly allowed water into the false chine swelling the glass and wood. Kip said, "grind some more and top coat. Should be ready for final primer next weekend. Meanwhile our competition thinks we wont make it for the first race, OK, but Burley is a must, we could see an E class possibly.

[Five O]

First race?? Not too concerned about that. Charlie WILL be ready for Burley. Still have some ground to cover, but should be no problem....

Thinking maybe Thurs morn Boyd...Ill call tomorrow and see how that may work..

[Jerkizoid]

Ok, Ror, by the way, you see the number of hits for Charley? Compare that to your K28 post.....What does this suggest?? Charley is being watched, either by Security Products fans or the SE competition, or others???
I would think a blown famous Geottle boat with 'Epidemic' in the serial would be way more interesting to view. Maybe its the popular Charley name triggering the hits?? What do I know? Zip:raincloud:

I had a very smart hull designer check Charleys bottom pictures and he said that inverted anti trip chine will work but balance of a boat so short and heavy is critical. Maybe an adjustable seat track??:angel: Or deck riders? It is a runabout you all...

[Jerkizoid]

With bottom straightening, everything blocked, delamination corrected, seams filled, chines contoured, deck supports reglassed, binacle is repaired and blocked, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,I am so done. Does anyone know a painter? I'm going to get tractor paint this weekend if he does not show.:wallbang: I could work on the 5 v-drives, I guess.

[Five O]

Tractor Paint:cool:

Sat morning is the day. You pick the time and Ill be there, no excuses. Ok well not too early, Im bringin the moma and boys. Will leave them at my moms and come over.

Do we need to prime??? if its to 320 paint will be fine.

[Jerkizoid]

Saturday works, Needs primer, found another peeling situation on the side so had to grind through the feather fill. Need a touch of spot filler for small chips into gel. All is 220 grit, even Aquacraft. Hopefully we can prime both together?

Glad to hear from you, I was afraid you were on a walk about Australian style.

[Jerkizoid]

According to APBA Se class rules, this boat must weigh 1800 lbs less driver! Well, how can I do that? Someone must be kidding, right?

I was told to carry a version of the Liberty Bell and secure it well!:clever:

[Jerkizoid]

Bottom done, speedcoat going on thanks to Dave. Had not planned on speed coating it but that saved shooting the cream white on what otherwise would be covered anyway. the epoxe primer and fiberglass top coat should be enough to stop all that gel coat peeling-flaking.
The original motor has been found but it is all rebuilt with high buck stuff and too pricey for our budget. So the hunt continues for a reasonable engine we can afford.
I only need a low compression sbc, might have a line on a 327 cheap. I would trade some bbc stuff if anyone out there has some spare small stuff.

Forgot to mention, after all the vinyl was removed, more cracks had been covered up with electrical tape, and numbers......on the transome and left side that we were leaving alone. So, here I go again. Should have it off the rotiserie by weekend and my eliminator inside! Ya hoo.

[E-MOTION]

Look great Boyd. For a guy who's not in the biz He is really doing a great job. Both Charley and the Shark are flat and smooth Its a shame after we flip them nobody really appreciates the time that was put into the bottoms of these old boats. Every one just looks at the tops. I for one hope I'm there to see the smile on Boyds face after he drives the shark for the first time.:thewave:

[Jerkizoid]

Thanks Dave, I found the perfect tool for scuffing the speed coat! A Fine grit drywall plaster sanding sponge! It conforms to the bends on the chine and leaves a shiny silver smooth finish. Plastic gloves also help.
Dave has the answer for those wanting to coat for less! His Gallon should do 6 or more bottoms after thinning. I used mineral spirits since the label suggested it for a longer drying-bonding time. The stuff was rolled on to imitate car undercoating tar!

Other news regarding the E class is fresh in Daves mind, now if we can just keep competitors from using some trick sbc stuff like 14 degree heads or gobs of crate motor hp!
Heck, are we the only two getting prepared for the SE legal APBA class?? Dave, you might list motor specs as you know them!

[Jerkizoid]

Look great Boyd. For a guy who's not in the biz He is really doing a great job. Both Charley and the Shark are flat and smooth Its a shame after we flip them nobody really appreciates the time that was put into the bottoms of these old boats. Every one just looks at the tops. I for one hope I'm there to see the smile on Boyds face after he drives the shark for the first time.:thewave:

Ah I have abandoned the Shark in favor of the 'Dragon'!:claphands:

[Jerkizoid]

Primer done.

[Adammitchel]

primer done, Boyd found other problems. grrrrrr! just not going like planned
:pullhair::shucks::twister:

[boatguy222]

It's a boat ..... nothing goes as planned!

[Jerkizoid]

20 hours over weekend and the bow eye and steering is fixed. Today I applied the vinyl ester resin and cloth to the stringer, it had torn loose the last 32 inches forward of the dash.
Nursing a Smashed knuckle from pounding rusted set collars off but otherwise still smiling:no:.
Al called to cheer me up while I complained that who ever it was who last worked on Charley's steering, or bow eye should be sent home without pay!:poke: And some reckless fool was drag racing this at 90 plus???:boat:

Come on guys, the bow eye backing block was split and 'Siliconed' to the glass hull so the stainless eye was tearing thru the glass!! I'd hate to have tie a rope to this to refloat the boat! Bing-a-Bong...Who-be-Whatskee..just Busted thee?

Lastly, The steering pulley mounts would wiggle back and forth including the steering shaft! The deck supports were cracked and loose plus when cable steering was installed, no one filled the larger mount holes from the push pull system in the dash.

I guess the lesson is, before planning on dropping the mill in and mash the gas, start from the bow eye and rebuild your way back to the rudder......or:raincloud:

[stickmann]

I guess the lesson is, before planning on dropping the mill in and mash the gas, start from the bow eye and rebuild your way back to the rudder......or:raincloud:[/QUOTE]

Heck yes. that's what keeps me from putting my Starfire in the water. I do not trust anything. I'm a firm believer in Murphy's Law. I want to rebuild everything. Paul Casura was bugging me to bring it down to the Team Starfire shop to tear it apart and restore it.

[Jerkizoid]

on floors, what a mess! Silicone, varnish, rusty bolts, etc! ugh....
Forgot in the above rant that the steering post, little bitty guy 4" long, was held onto the dash with ONE 1/4" stud while the other two were just plain gone! Not broken off, just missing. Threads were OK so they didnt break off and float away, they were never put IN it!!! Ouch.

Hi Kevin, hows ole Paul doing, I should call him, no, he should call me BEFORE I itch and scratch ALL my skin off! and get grumpier!:wallbang:

[boatgeek]

I guess the lesson is, before planning on dropping the mill in and mash the gas, start from the bow eye and rebuild your way back to the rudder......or:raincloud:

Heck yes. that's what keeps me from putting my Starfire in the water. I do not trust anything. I'm a firm believer in Murphy's Law. I want to rebuild everything. Paul Casura was bugging me to bring it down to the Team Starfire shop to tear it apart and restore it.[/QUOTE]

get after it kev. we need guys like you. got to be a hemie out the some where.:D

[Jerkizoid]

Kevin needs Ford power with his heavy boat! You need anything alcohol powered! Injected (Jullian whipped the Seattle boys with this combo) dual carbs or why not tri-power? Kung Foo Art will have a heart attack for sure!

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If you notice the floors in this shot, the cav lock out handle is mounted into a 1/2 delaminated stringer. See the white area around the 4 bolts? Now if you go to the other side and see that square mounting blue box (God only knows what this was for made out of 1/2" alum) that area has the same white coloring. So out came the epoxe and wood clamps, and 1/2 dowels, and the hammer, and the grinder, and the glass cloth, and about 20 weekend hours spent starting the total floor restoration......Gee, it looked as if one could just bolt in a motor and go:wallbang: Oh Contrair Michelle my Bell, contrair!

[Jerkizoid]

Casale with shaft release, SOLD (Worn completely OUT). :pullhair:Gears and shaft release are reusable, but who needs a 12 degree box? Ror has it for sale. Lucky I had just purchased another virgin Casale last Fall for $200 thanks to Marc tipping me of its availability. Small drive to Coulee City produce one that still had its original 12% gears and ALL of its original bolts and gaskets! Dont find this too often.

That start button panel will give way to the original drivers seat since Doc returned one of Robbie H. owned sprint car polished one mounted on an adjustable bracket. Charlies' passengers will ride where Kip and Kelly once sat!:thewave:

[stickmann]

Heck yes. that's what keeps me from putting my Starfire in the water. I do not trust anything. I'm a firm believer in Murphy's Law. I want to rebuild everything. Paul Casura was bugging me to bring it down to the Team Starfire shop to tear it apart and restore it.

get after it kev. we need guys like you. got to be a hemie out the some where.:D[/QUOTE]

I have a '63 390 FE Ford in it.

[Jerkizoid]

If ya notice the floor, it looks bad, but other than minor cracking, it should shine with another coat of glass once more, the holes drilled through it were correctly reglassed.
Those rusty bolts are a tip off!!!!! All bolts going thru any wood were GRADE 5 mild steel cad plated!!!! Maybe stainless wasn't readily available in 1970s? You know what happens to these dont we!!!! Rust, then ROTTED wood!
Yes friends, every hole drilled into the stringers had to be drilled out to hit fresh wood, and plugged with dowels. 3/8 bolts were drilled to 1/2 and 3/4" for the epoxed plugs and 5/16 went to 3/8 hardwood! This makes it difficult to drill back out but 1/2 of them will NOT be used again. In otherwords stuff was moved around and or not-necessary in my humble opinion.
Those sling, crane launching brackets will go, to be replaced with seat brackets.
Sure hope that shaft log doesnt leak, its the only piece left installed with the skegs. Strut now has stailess hardware.

Oh, dont ask me how the cav hardware to stringer bracing was made, please!
Ror took some stringer photos Saturday on his visit and you can see the bolt holes resemble shot gun blasts at close range! Post away buddy!

I guess, I am relating this stuff NOT to insult those who had hands on this incredible boat but to make you all very aware to never judge a book by its cover! From the above pictures, it would appear, to simply primer the chipped spots and drop a motor IN! Contrair My Bell, contrair. How do you spell this Frenchie?

[Jerkizoid]

where the original motor mount went, this aint it!
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu13/monaandror/P6260093.jpg

And, what are those four bolt holes for at the rear deck? fuel filter or pump?

[Jerkizoid]

Oh, look at ths picture of the steering pulleys, see the holes drilled on the top of the stringers? they intersect holes drilled horizontal as w ell and were filled with silicone, not wood plugs! Below that, stringer delamination! Adverse steering quirks friends!d And the big hole where the cables goes thru, NOT glassed wood rot!

Where the stringers attach to the transom, cracked glass covered in 1/8" of grease and oil. Typical but add another hour of repair and 6 oz of epoxe.

Dont anyone, ask me what's taking so long, palease:ziipit:

[Jerkizoid]

See the cast aluminum rudder brace?! It's staying, Glenwood brand just like all other hardware!

[Jerkizoid]

Another back twister, was the area the down pedal was mounted, see the blue silicone that didnt fill the exposed wood holes? This area 6"X6" square had many holes drilled I guess were when the pedal was moved back and forth for driver comfort. And the most important holes, the v-drive mount bolts was rotten also and had to be plugged :wallbang: So, I RE-RIG the entire boat!
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu13/monaandror/P6260083.jpg

[Jerkizoid]

More pictures to follow IF my wife contributes.

[Jerkizoid]

[QUOTE=Five O;159806]Welcome the newest addition to the Northwest flatties. 1972 Javelin, set up by Al Lapointe, driven by Kip Brown and others. Been under a tarp for a couple years. A touch of glass work, some serious cleaning a few nuts and bolts and it will be good to go.

Just love this analagy, 'Touch of glass work', cleaning and few bolts?
Hey Ror, I think you could have been a used car salesman AND this boat may be a touch older.
A few fans of this boat mentioned they had seen it run in 69, maybe someone can chine in if there were two Charleys, or just this one.
This one had a red deck and white bottom and of course the side skeg similar to Mr. Vilwocks SS/PS400.
It was a big encouragement when I got this call informing me of how fast, and in the lead this boat was. Of course now, with the junk yard motor, our goal is to build a boat for under $2000 and have 20 or 30 hours of sheer fun to somewhat off set my 300 hours of sheer misery and itching:wallbang:

Hey Ror, got new pictures, Robin is in a 'stalemate'!!!:buddies: I tried booze, nothing.....:yawn:

[Jerkizoid]

JYD 350 engine should be running this weekend.....!

[Charm Skool Reject]

That's awesome. I think we are going to use the 350 out of our snow plow in my boat. I may be awhile before that actually happens.

[Five O]

Used car salesman LOL.......Maybe Ive read too many of Mouzers adds;)

Ill get pics up in the morning.....need to take them off the phone first.....stay tuned for swiss cheeze

[Adammitchel]

Here are some update pictures of recent work being done on charlie.

[Adammitchel]

projects that took 24 hrs was the plugging all the holes in the stringers and bow eye support.

[Adammitchel]

in the last picture the large crack between the stringer and bottom? That was 2 feet under the deck extending all the way to the pointy front. Very tight space but ester resin and 3" cloth fixed it. Possibly caused by a flip which also tore the plywood deck support. Steering was also rebraced so it couldnt wiggle around! Hardware is now being positioned and changes made before the pretty paint goes on, already chipped the final primer coats, opps!

[Adammitchel]

seeing how it feels to sit once more in a fast boat! Notice the taz on the dash, this fits my personality, since my past name at drag boat racing was 'Drag Queen' and taz was on my first helmet as well.

[boatguy222]

way to go Robin, keep after that old fart to get your boat done!

[boatgeek]

cant wait to see you drop the hammer robin.:thewave:

[Adammitchel]

Hahaha, It was fun getting into the seat of the boat and behind the wheel again. Can't wait to get it in the water and see how it handles. Going to be fun. hooray! :heyyou::notme::heresyoursign::boat::twister: sorry couldn't resist all the emoticons here. hahahaha

[Jerkizoid]

The JUNK YARD DOG old enough to smoke and drink!
http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=110508&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1301076166

I installed a 450 cfm Holley to be legal:rolleyes: should run tomarrow on the trick poor mans engine dyno!!!

[Jerkizoid]

Last night (7 hours) I put the last color on the floors, now if and when it drys, the final detail of stars will be added if Blonde concurrs with the USA theme. Her only wish was to restore the wood grain transparency of the floors so future owners can see any reoccurring delam problems. That's wise, but WHO in Gods Green Earth plans on selling? Maybe I can post current pictures to compare with the above.....? I need a rest, last two weekends say 20+ hours of MY work, some bad, some OK but anything is an improvement to its former condition.....!

Ya know, this boat is going to use way less fuel and perhaps, the most economical class to run with the exception of the Outboards!!:congrats:

[Altered Thoughts]

Get some pics of floors for us , cant wait. I'm going to put a single throat down draft on my motor so as to be legal tooo.. Jimmy D.

[boatguy222]

I'm going to put a single throat down draft on my motor so as to be legal tooo.. Jimmy D.[/QUOTE]

That will be the day!:rofl:

[Jerkizoid]

Second and final coat of West Systems is drying and the stars are shining brightly. Maybe the Birthday :no:gal will share her pictures with ya if ya gripe loud enough!:poke:

[Adammitchel]

here are some update pics of the floors that have been completed on Charging Charlie.

[Adammitchel]

Here is some pics of the floors of Charging Charlie that is now completed. Enjoy!

[Charm Skool Reject]

Floors look amazing!

[Adammitchel]

Thank you!
com-putercom-puter:shucks::clever:

[lowsodium]

Sure hope thats your wife's boat.

Or, "Don't ask, don't tell".

:rofl:

[Jerkizoid]

What ya saying? No, its 'OURS'! I'll let her drive on occasion....:crazy

[Altered Thoughts]

The floor does look like the short-shorts that Richard Simmons wears. Gotta Love the "No hate Floors" Jimmy D.

[E-MOTION]

How do you no what his shorts look like?????????

[Altered Thoughts]

I always had the hots for his sister, she looked alot like him---Shhe may have been a little more masculine. I think she might have had a sex change tho. Please don't ask me any more about her , it was a heart breaking separation. Jimmy D.

[Adammitchel]

I always had the hots for his sister, she looked alot like him---Shhe may have been a little more masculine. I think she might have had a sex change tho. Please don't ask me any more about her , it was a heart breaking separation. Jimmy D.

OMG Jimmy D. ROFLMAO:claphands::rofl:

[Jerkizoid]

Newer 12 degree v-drive is almost mounted, using 6 stainless 5/16 bolts instead of 4 plated 3/8s bolts (two top ones almost missed the stringer).
This Casale box was located in Coulee City Wa. at a yard sale and had almost 0 running time. All bearings gaskets, gears, and bolts were original, as far as I could tell it had never been apart! And, its mounting plates indicated it was in a deep V style hull.
My Sharks' Large 8 bolt prop shaft coupler sure helped aligning the new 6 bolt pattern that now is drilled into virgin glass and stringer wood. Gear choice is a secret so dont ask!:usflag:

[Jerkizoid]

I always had the hots for his sister, she looked alot like him---Shhe may have been a little more masculine. I think she might have had a sex change tho. Please don't ask me any more about her , it was a heart breaking separation. Jimmy D.

Question, who didnt you have the hots for?:cool:

[Jerkizoid]

Down pedal arrived from Orrin boats this weekend, so the dual pedals are for sale or trade...again

He has some Stellings-Sanger new old stock ones also!!!

[Jerkizoid]

V-drive is remounted in perfect alignment less whirlaway! Hydraulic throttle will dampen the raw Lion like power of its truck towing power!:porch New alum coupler slips in with its 7" key with ease. New 2" angle alum runs from v-drive to engine under the dropped stringer for added strengh. That was the weak stringer injected with steroids. This also provides a mount for seat, drive line guard cross member and misc controls.

Now all work stops while I recover my tow rig in Chewela and the Shark trailer. Happy Mothers Day everyone!:usflag:

[JavelinE24]

LOST IN THE MOVE TO ALASKA LOOKING FOR ANYONE WITH PICTURES OF MY FATHER JIM HOOKER AND ANY OF THE BOAT HE BIULT SET UP OR RACED HERE IS A LIST OF THE ONES I KNOW OF:
1967-1969
JONES STARFIRES
BLACK MAJIC SS-100 Jones
UFO SS-200 Jones
SUPER SONIC SS-100 Jones
SS-300 OR K-300 CLYDE PRUITTS STARFIRE
SK-680
JAVELINS 1969-1976
E-24 WATCHEE Dave Baugh
E-23 GOLD DUST Al Lapointe
E-25 CHARGIN CHARLIE Al lapointe
E-34 WATCHEE 2 Dave Baugh
E-400 DOUG LEAGH
E-68 CIRCLE JURK OR THE CIRCLE JURK STARFIRE 2 Kelly Stocklin

[Jerkizoid]

Todays morning was spent tearing another v-drive down to get the shield adapter off to post pics on PB in the hopes of finding another one like it to fit. The original v-drive from this boat was sold with that part, so I need help finding a 4" driveline shield adapter that bolts to the top input shaft.

Forgot to take it off the old one:eek: Now, that's somewhere in Calif.:claphands:

So for the day I thought I would mock up the flywheel, motor plate, and alt pulley for fit! Lost one hour grinding the starter nose hole in the block plate larger, they discovered the bolt pattern on the plate was OFF! The block dowels didnt even line up!

Did find another SFI rated flexplate to run.

What will fight me next? June seems too close for everything to fall into place at this rate!

I can ignore trying to finish its original trailer since I now have the tandem licensed and ready.

Finish Paint on its sides, may not happen.

[Jerkizoid]

Hey wife, post pictures of the motor sitting in place!:porch or resume your rocking!

[Adammitchel]

Engine sitting in Charlie. :yes::thewave:

[Jerkizoid]

Well this was just sent to me:http://sn116w.snt116.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=0&messageId=7644e4e0-8aea-11e0-8935-00215ad9bc44&Aux=0|0|8CDED0E5D056E30||0|0|0|0||&maxwidth=220&maxheight=160&size=Att
So, how confusing is this, maybe I'll leave the primer visible until I learn the whole story.
The whole weekend spent fabricating better hardware, aluminum dust leaves a peculiar taste in ones mouth! Dont know if Banks is possible, safety is a priority, not a race.

[stickmann]

Well this was just sent to me:http://sn116w.snt116.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=0&messageId=7644e4e0-8aea-11e0-8935-00215ad9bc44&Aux=0|0|8CDED0E5D056E30||0|0|0|0||&maxwidth=220&maxheight=160&size=Att
So, how confusing is this, maybe I'll leave the primer visible until I learn the whole story.
The whole weekend spent fabricating better hardware, aluminum dust leaves a peculiar taste in ones mouth! Dont know if Banks is possible, safety is a priority, not a race.

Boyd, this posting does not make sense to me, please explain.

[Jerkizoid]

the red x is back.......voodoo upon us. the picture showed a color shot of E25, charley. Transferred it from my email but failed. The wife promised current progress shots so I quit, she can take over. Shooting for testing in a few weeks and possibly going West to Black Lake IF Ione goes well July 3.

[JavelinE24]

Did I send you this before?

[Jerkizoid]

OH MY, is that an Evil Knievel suit? Wonder where I could get one of those?? Number questions prevail! Was #25 your Dads or who?

Nice picture!! Spent another 4 hours finishing up the motor mounts, now it has 4 engine rails, one on top, one on the bottom and the sbc slides perfectly parallel to the stringers!!! Whopps, who forgot the lock bolt? Whoosh:raincloud:

[Adammitchel]

More Pics of Charlie and the braces/motor mounts Boyd has made.

[Adammitchel]

:2cents:More pics of where we r in the putting together of Charlie. Boyd is working hard at making motor mounts and braces.:cool:

[Jerkizoid]

Thanks sugar plum. Yes, big block header braces will work IF you want them to, and are quite necessary since the 1 1/2 tubing is very thin. Flowmaster 2 in 1 collectors solved the rusted out former collectors.
Hey Kevin, you dig my angle finder checking out the 2 angles of the vintage flame arrestor??:yawn: Thought so! Wiring & gauge is temporary!
That front mount was not the original for the boat so I had to add material for two reasons: I want to slide the motor forward or back to balance the boat with the power reduction required for SE. I dont think it will carry the nose with less punch and my prop gearing. Secondly, that dropped stringer on the drivers side needed additional strength so the bottom rail was added and those angle additions are bolted to that bottom rail as well as the original 3X2 inverted top rail. Below this, was all the torn damaged stringer wrapping, now filled with new glass. I dont want the stringers to twist at all but stay solid for 4 more decades!
Most fast racers of today rely on full length engine rails to stiffen narrow stringers and keep bottoms straight for more speed. Lance Faulkner, SS70 Kilo record holder could extract a few miles per hour from this concept alone. It's a labor of Love for the first all glass Javelin (modified Jones).

Thanks all of you for your encouragement and Bills Welding for his help since I cant weld worth beans! Oh, two cordless drills have now expired! Craftsman tolls arent what they used to be!:wallbang:

[Adammitchel]

:boat::awed:com-puter:shucks:it-s-friday:clever: That is all I got to say about all this, hun!

Love these emotionicons! HEHEHEHEHEHE!

[Jerkizoid]

40 more holes drilled today for the sliding motor. Boat guts recleaned of shavings again for the 20th time and motor removed for its new oil pan and pickup tube for the Tans Am Champ oil pan. Hey, we could make sharp right hand turns! Lets do a Reverse Skate, all right turns!:yawn:

Oh, you will never believe who I just sold stuff to so we can buy another prop! Hint, he ran 317 mph on water!!!!:snowmobile:

Parts spam had a right hand 2 blade for $125 and when it arrived, it was rusty as pictured, that's OK. Then upon further inspection were the Initials, D & J !!!!!!!!! Wow, it was a D J prop (Duayne Mudd) the same design as our last racing Lavey SS83! So off to Harold Kindsvater it went for its polish and repair. Harold sure makes a difference in our boats performance, everyone should use him in my opinion! $95 will tune, balance it like new! It takes 4 days total!!!!:claphands:

[Altered Thoughts]

I must confess it was I in myjet propelled snow mobile that did over 300 on water. Keep the fan mail coming I appreciate all the attention. Jimmy D.

[Jerkizoid]

Ken Warbly, ring a bell Mr. Farmer?:awed:

[Adammitchel]

omg Jim! love ya!

[Altered Thoughts]

When blonds have more fun do they actually know it? Jimmy D.

[Adammitchel]

O ya! They know it. Just want to make everyone else wonder. lmao

[JavelinE24]

Kelly Stocklin Driving Charley back when they tried to get the ERR class back on the water Looks to me like it worked just took a little time.

[Jerkizoid]

sticks, most of it! Nose had some blow outs! Can fix it later... Thanks Mick for helping lay a straight tape line......other than his help, I did the top coat and final block sanding.....:wallbang:
http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122148&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1309915778

[Jerkizoid]

Kelly Stocklin Driving Charley back when they tried to get the ERR class back on the water Looks to me like it worked just took a little time.

Cant find your shot of the correct graphics on the rear....?

[JavelinE24]

Save it to your puter and you can make it larger

[Jerkizoid]

paint today, maybe I'll just turn it into a show boat! Havent had that opportunity ever! More pictures, Dave....:buddies:

[Altered Thoughts]

tRACTOR PAINT AND PAINTED FLOORS DON'T MAKE A SHOW BOAT. Jimmy D

[Charm Skool Reject]

Jimmy, it makes for an awfully pretty RACE BOAT. Robin, you need to get Charley out on the race course so we can battle it out for Queen of the SE's :gold cup

[Altered Thoughts]

Robeeen is one fast Momma. Now if we can get Boydy to be as fast getting it ready. Sure will be fun seeing the girls with their boats side by side in that new SE class, We will then see how they curtsy to each other in the pits also. No hair pulling---

[Jerkizoid]

tRACTOR PAINT AND PAINTED FLOORS DON'T MAKE A SHOW BOAT. Jimmy D

Look who is throwing mud, Mr. Showboat himself. When was the last time your Primadonna b-terrific-boats got wet or were even seen? Ya ya ya they are for sale cause you wont drive them maybe you should install an SE motor and take on the 'Girls', if you dare! Show us how versital those b-ss are.
So, what, I saved $400 with paint used on tractors and 'Got her done'!
I had to rub and sand very hard to get a shine...What a slam! Jerk Buddy??
Maybe you should wander off campus and see Charley for your self before slamming it as NOT show worthy? I know for a fact that it features lots of hard work by,, ME in my effort to breath new life into a lovable legendary racer as well as keep family harmony. You sound a little like Jackson, possibly the ultimate SHOWBOATER, Please dont let him rub off on you now you live in the neighborhood.

[Jerkizoid]

Trailer axle installed and new chevy wheels coming. Strut brace done, tach is installed and works.... tomarrow, fuel tank and lines and new oil pan attached.
http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127385&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1313280068

[Jerkizoid]

Kelly Stocklin Driving Charley back when they tried to get the ERR class back on the water Looks to me like it worked just took a little time.

This shot shows E23 on the side, Als national APBA registered number, wonder who has E25 now? Dont care, its staying! I think I cleaned up the looks with smaller numbers and graphics, thanks DAvE!

[Jerkizoid]

Love this shot, had to repost it: Notice which plates move, and incidently, I had to raise the left stationary one up 10 flats!!! Drag racers!
http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127039&stc=1&thumb=1&d=131303752

[Adammitchel]

Boyd has just completed adding the brace, gas tank, new trailer axle and wheels, plus the tack in the dash. Woo Hoo, Boyd! all that is left is the motor.
O ya!:awed::congrats::heresyoursign::rofl::thewave:: notme::clever:

[Adammitchel]

Ok, so the wheels and tires didnt work. When Boyd added the motor to the boat the trailer almost hit the ground, so now we have to get new leaf springs and different wheels and tires so the trailer doesnt drag on the ground, what the heck is up with that? So no testing at the Montana race this weekend! Bummer!:crazy:no::wallbang::opps::help:

[Jerkizoid]

Not so fast Lucy......Went to Antique Auto Ranch and found some 1930 something spring to repair the 1930 something original spring leafs, added a center bolt, pounded and pounded, got them apart, put 2 extra leafs in, now 10 total and found some rusted wheels with the right off set, and remounted the new 6 ply trailer tires and we are pushing it out into the daylight for trailer light wiring. If it tows, (now only 1/8" off square instead of 1 full inch) I will head out early tomarrow and finalize the assembly at Trout Creek! There should not be 2 races in a row without flats! Boy, I'm beat up!

[Jerkizoid]

Here is the current almost! shot;
http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129243&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1314406741

[Jerkizoid]

Well its 2 am Sat morn and I am not ready to travel. Boat needs the hydraulic throttle mount made, a fuel filter bracket fabbed (fuel tank has bits of alum inside), driveline shield mounted, seat brace drilled, header collector welded on, opps, I wont make it! Guess there arent any other flats there anyway! Would have been a good test, I'm too old for this 16 hour thrashing!:porch

[Already Gone]

Sounds like you had a busy nite there Boyd. Sorry to hear you're not going to make it to Trout Creek.
I was getting ready to head down that way to help hold boats, but it doesn't look like that will be needed today. Guess I'll go pick knapweed instead!

[Jerkizoid]

for watching here, I couldnt get you on your phone.....
Of interest, I just heard all the Nostalgia bunch that went APBA racing this weekend instead of Trout Creek were disqualified in first heat. That couldnt have been a fun day for them, and the live stream showed a flare being deployed to stop the leaders. Big course, big time problems, it would seem! They will be quite happy to return to Waites I would imagine. See all you hydro friends there!

Oh, the lights on the trailer are still messed up! New wiring and new led bulbs!!!!!! 3 hours of labor, down the drain, anyone need a hexed voo doo trailer? Cheap!

[lowsodium]

Neither of us was there but what I hear is that what happened was not the APBA's fault. That would be like blaming the bread for burnt toast. (heard that the other day and just had to use it).

As for your trailer, those LED lights can be a real pain. Try running individual grounds for each tail light all the way to the front. Worked for me in the past.

[Charm Skool Reject]

You guys need to quit talkin in riddles about stuff you weren't there to see how it went down. Ya, the Outlaw bunch had some trouble. You guys both have my number if you really want to know what happened. Otherwise, it's all speculation.:discuss:

[lowsodium]

Gee, I don't have your number. For the record, what I heard came from Jeff and he WAS there. No speculation here.

[E-MOTION]

Jeff was asleep at the wheel. :sleeping: the toaster malfunctioned and the toast burnt and who cares about led trailer lights? really

[Jerkizoid]

Ror did it, I messed his up! Ya who cares?

[Jerkizoid]

Jeff was asleep at the wheel. :sleeping: the toaster malfunctioned and the toast burnt and who cares about led trailer lights? really

I heard you took everyone on a short carosel ride into the DMZ! Bad boy bad boy what ya goina do when they come for you?

[Charm Skool Reject]

Well, that's an Outlaw for ya! At least he's a leader, not a follower :rolleye

[E-MOTION]

nobody was ever in DMZ

[Jerkizoid]

Ya, got the whole story finally, I had surmised that a turn in foul was for driving there, but NO, some other fool rule is what bit ya all....what's the deal? Makes me want to stay away and I would have been on Steves' bumper pulling out of the pits, maybe even ahead of him! Sounds like you all really got the shaft, without a release!:heyyou:

[Jerkizoid]

Finished the throttle linkage bracket and all the wire clamps, another 3 hours. Great to finally get it on the trailer and tow test it Saturday night! Should be test ready this weekend.

[Altered Thoughts]

Where are you going to test, secret location as to not ruffle feathers from the North Camp. Jimmy D.

[Jerkizoid]

Your hot tub! Invite Peel Me a Grape.

[JavelinE24]

Really testing the boat as in water test?:o
You mean it going to leave the shop? On its trailer? and get wet?:thewave:

[E-MOTION]

Thanks for your help getting boat in water last weekend.

[JavelinE24]

Had a great time with all you races:hot:

[JavelinE24]

:claphands:Thanx to Dave Baugh wa have Great Pix Al Lapointe sitting in Charlie

[Jerkizoid]

It's finally ready to test with a little help from Bills Welding, the drive line and guard is in, the seats in, the wiring done, the trailer rolls, just a valve adjustment and header fix and we are racing this weekend at our favorite course; Waites Lake and Winona Beach Resort!
Glad the fight with Charlie is somewhat over, but the work never ends, now does it?

[Jerkizoid]

It's finally ready to test with a little help from Bills Welding, the drive line and guard is in, the seats in, the wiring done, the trailer rolls, just a valve adjustment and header fix and we are racing this weekend at our favorite course; Waites Lake and Winona Beach Resort!
Glad the fight with Charlie is somewhat over, but the work never ends, now does it? All the numbers pictured; 230 and psE23 from its past drag racing and Pro Stock days disappear and its original number and graphics are now proudly displayed!

[JavelinE24]

E-25 back in the day

[Jerkizoid]

Oh my, white red and blue trailer carpet! Well that's not going to happen, and the weird stripes on the deck wont either. What kind of carbs are those? or air grabbers....:claphands:

[Jerkizoid]

Headers done, needs gas and pass seat. Racing this weekend! If it runs!

[Jerkizoid]

As school opened today for most elementary students, Charlie was late and did not awaken until 1:25 PM! So now E25 can join in the School of SE boats at Waites! Once a comatos patient suffering from neglect and the cruel elements of bad weather, Charles coughed loudly but breathed life from all 8 lumgs and most important: all critical fluids were at safe pressure and void of leaky plumbing, :D Horah Whopee.

[boatgeek]

good luck boyd and robin stay safe :)

[Altered Thoughts]

Met Boyd at Waites and watched the first launch of the little El-boat. Minor problems with drive shaft seal leaking and a place to put the start up key, but as in the Schnell Racing Teams everything worked out after a major discussion. Boyd took first out , then Robeeen. Robeeen said it drives like a Cadillac , but since they don't own one I think she was trying to say Buick.. Races today with maybe 4 classes of flats. Jimmy D.

[killerfungis]

Nice day at the lake for the 2011 SLORA boat races at Waits Lake, WA.
Got to see Chargin Charlie in the garage gettin preped, and now roaring
around the lake....nice work B and R

sorry had to add the pic of the Jerk gettin unstuck from the mud

http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=170&pictureid=1456
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[Jerkizoid]

Do I know you? Must be a secret spy blackmail dealie...
To my right is Robin perched on charlies' nose paddling in to kick some sense into me...? I won the foot race though, even with quick sand covering my boney toes. And that Dr. Drewsome tried tackling me for no good reason, jerk out raced him also! Looser

Thanks for the pictures, we had fun with no break downs and all the hard work really paid off so all we had to do is add fuel (1 1/2 gallons per heat) and adjust things.
We will need extensive testing to even think about getting into the 70s, probably never happen this year, hey, its a stock Blazer truck motor!!. Best speed was 68.4 with a tach bouncing 6400. The boat does like orange apex buoys though! Cant figure that one out....

Great weekend! SLORA rocks!

Thank you all for stopping by with your cameras and great comments on how good E25 looked, (even the bottom), it makes all my hours of labor seem worthwhile.

[Jerkizoid]

Met Boyd at Waites and watched the first launch of the little El-boat. Minor problems with drive shaft seal leaking and a place to put the start up key, but as in the Schnell Racing Teams everything worked out after a major discussion. Boyd took first out , then Robeeen. Robeeen said it drives like a Cadillac , but since they don't own one I think she was trying to say Buick.. Races today with maybe 4 classes of flats. Jimmy D.
You missed a good race! But thanks for being there for us.....:porch Now resume your rockin...

[JavelinE24]

A bigger stick:wallbang:

[Jerkizoid]

Best by Test, well now that just doesnt apply, now does it. We had 5 minutes of testing at 30 mph! Did you get this from the Marine bunch?
Try this out, speed formula:
6000 rpm X 1.18 gear X 15 pitch X .000947 = 100.57 mph
minus hull and prop inefficiency which should be app 20% = 80.4 mph! But the boat ran a high of 68.4 so thats 35% loss due to hull or prop slip! Here lies the problem. All my other props are too big so a 10 1/4 diameter stellings is on the way from a dear friend in Seattle! Now, on to fixing the leaky valves and oil pan.

[Jerkizoid]

it used to be leading, here is proof:
http://www.dragboats.com/images/gallery/large/04/04_07_CDBA/thumb/04_07_CDBA_3408_230.jpg

[Adammitchel]

Well Charlie is at Ione with Boyd! I did not go this weekend, I have to work! I love the boat Charlie, but I think for me I wll just drive it for fun. I just do not have it in me anymore for racing. So Boyd will be racing Charlie from here on out! As for me, when I drive it, it will be at the lake as a lake boat and for fun! :)

[Jerkizoid]

Dont jump to conclusions, since wifie posted before the Ione report. This boat is amazing if an old fart like me can hug buoys (very close tight ones) and battle for position with a junk yard 60 mph Dog engine! All the quirks and bugs are now gone from its handling and this thing turns better than a Lavey, possibly better than a Marlin!!! Oh that will leave a mark!
Have water log manifolds coming so she can go lake cruising to her hearts delight and discover Charlies Magic! Call me crazy but, I kinda think, she wants to cruise the Burley Island though.//.////.,,./:crazy

[Adammitchel]

2011 Waits Lake race in Washington.

[Adammitchel]

part 2 Waits Lk.

[Adammitchel]

part 3 Waits Lake.

[Adammitchel]

part 4 :claphands: :congrats::usflag: :clever::hot: :thewave:

[E-MOTION]

nice pictures adam thanks for posting :congrats:

[Charm Skool Reject]

Robin, we really missed you out there! Boyd has Charlie really dialed in & did he drive the heck out of it; gave me a run for my money :2cents: Will we see you in Sammamish? I am tryin to get out of work saturday...

[Jerkizoid]

Ya, I missed her too and I need to thank all the hydro family for the great potluck they provided, wow! Race, eat, rest,eat,race,race some more, eat some more, my cup of tea!
I had to return earlier than most with a singing deal at a retirement home but didnt make it on time, well I was on time for the eating afterwards!
Yes, Charlie has surpassed my expectations totally. I had fear that the fast hull would not handle at slower speeds, kinda like that big bad b-boat Beisemeyer. But that was not the case and I could turn way sharper than my old Lavey circle boat!
I had the pleasure of calling Al Monday to praise his little boat and admit our first handling issues at Ione were my own fault. Loose rudder keyway and quadrant, and wrong prop gear combination caused the hooking and chine dancing. Made him quite happy!
Now on to Sammamish where I hear a fairly large J-boat reunion will take place as well as Charlie sitting side by side with Als other legend, 'Gold Dust'! Hope all my E friends can make the tow there especially, you Charming Ghost 309! I guess you can camp in the pits, so I am.

[Jerkizoid]

Very proud of my wife and her courage in trusting a jerk with an un-tested unraced restored boat. Ya never know what can happen or what was forgotten in the hurry to make the few last races. She wont give up and all will be different when my K boat hits the water next year. She will have more fun than her last hard driving Lavey. Why? It's way better and gets great fuel economy: I burned 5 gallons all weekend! And that's pump gas!
http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26290&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1317053754
Great picture, many thanks to Bill and Joshua, your rescue boat friends! By the way, she sat beside Earl Wham and he grilled her for hours with questions.....His restored hydro is nearing completion, I hear. Wonder, just wonder...

[Jerkizoid]

third race in its home town of Seattle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGO9GD6e2U&feature=related

[Jerkizoid]

Was all the work worth it? well......Seattle saw Al Lapoint, Dave Baugh and Jim Hooker and their respective wifes all looking at charlie, Gold Dust, and Wathache Javelins with very big grins! Al asked how much! Jim just stared from stem to stern. How about reunion photos Dave? Dave, you there, Dave? Dave?

daves not here!

Yes, well worth it!

[Jerkizoid]

Sometimes things just dont work as hoped..:confused:..I have decided to sell Charlie to pay some bills. Buy it turn key with totaly restored trailer and Legal 350, or I'll take a little less and you install your sbc. Give me a call, its gotta go by January. 509 995 8254

It drives like a big boat with that special profile hull.....

[Charm Skool Reject]

This is disappointing for me as well that you are selling Charlie...I really enjoyed racing with you....What about your Aquacraft? You going to keep & finish it & still race or what?

[Jerkizoid]

Yes, E25 is sold! thank you those involved for the help!

[Jerkizoid]

With that many hits, I oue you folks who watched with interest Charleys rebirth to let you know, it may be raced by the new owner but that depends on how soon he can adapt from a Jet boat to an prop boat! I have offered to help.

[Charm Skool Reject]

Where is Charley going or is it staying local???? What's next for you Boyd...Aquacraft???

[JavelinE24]

Yes, E25 is sold! thank you those involved for the help!

SAD day for the now we can only hope you come to your sences soon.

I have a nice little ERR E-24 for you if you want it!

BTW do I get my Prop back soon?

[Jerkizoid]

Boat is staying in NorthWest Spokane and will probably seen on Long Lake! I have offered to help him at one day this Spring to see if someone local can drive it well. Of course anyone younger than I would be better! Hate to see such a unique boat become a pleasure-fun boat but we can work on him and of course helping him and most important ENCOURAGING HIM NOT STRONG ARMING HIM! Who would do that??????:opps:Dave? I still have some gears, extra v-drive, and lots of Big Block engines and parts misc.

[Jerkizoid]

Where is Charley going or is it staying local???? What's next for you Boyd...Aquacraft???

Aquacraft or the Cruiser are next to go, which ever one is left I may be able to keep for myself. Hows your Bluefish coming?

[Charm Skool Reject]

I hope the person that bought Charlie will entertain the idea of racing....it's what that boat was designed for....My Marlin has been undergoing a top-secret make-over....hoping to see some out front water this year :)

[Jerkizoid]

Yes, the ole #57
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