stock classic

[niesenracing]

probably a stupid question but what is stock classic

[Jeff Brewster 59s]

I assume you are refering to the hydro and runabout class that used to be BSR and BSH using the 20H Mercury engine built in the 50's. It is occasionally run at local races and sometimes the nationals for fun. In CBF races it is called "B" Canadian.
Well, I think I answered this correctly guys. Am I right?

[Abbott Racing]

At the CBF Convention last November, we changed the B Canadian Name to "B" Classic (old Merc class) we also added the "C" classic class (old Merc rules) and we also have the "D" Classic class which is the old D merc class.

Last season we averaged 7 "D" Classics at our races, great to see the old mercs out there racing hard!

[STEVE FRENCH]

If you call vkp at 1-800-496-3966 you can order the 1998 and 2000 Nationals videos. In 98 they ran A-Classic Merc kg-4 and B-Classic 20h converted for the 50th Stock Outboard Nationals.
Their web address- www.VKPro.com

[Jeff Lytle]

Steve:

I just changed your pic from a bmp which needs to be downloaded, to a jpeg file which comes up on it's own.

Busy, busy, busy............

[David_L6]

Originally posted by Jeff Lytle
Steve:

I just changed your pic from a bmp which needs to be downloaded, to a jpeg file which comes up on it's own.

Busy, busy, busy............


Well make it big enough to see...:rolleyes:

[Jeff Lytle]

Whoops !! It was big, at least the 1st time I watched it load.

Hmmmmmmmmm, I'll try it again.

[mercguy]

now why should a "stock classic" class allow a "classic" motor on a "non-classic" boat???????

[Jakeroub]

In 98 they ran A-Classic Merc kg-4 and B-Classic 20h converted for the 50th Stock Outboard Nationals.

Is the KG-4 the only engine allowed in A-Classic, if its ever run again? I have a MK15H, not actually a STOCK motor. MK15 powerhead on a 20 tower. As I understand it it was allowed.

Jake B.

[STEVE FRENCH]

FUN RIDE!!!---(when it starts!!:rolleyes: )
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can't down load any bigger (that's what she said....:D )

[mercguy]

there are LOTS of original boats out here, plus, plans are easily available to build a "repro" runabout or hydro, so the answer is just as easy............

[Jeff Lytle]

Originally posted by David_L6
Well make it big enough to see...:rolleyes:



BETTER ???

[Jakeroub]

Jeff,

I think youre trying too hard... Too big or something, grainy and fuzzy. haha

Jake B.

[Jeff Lytle]

Keith:

Mail me those images and I'll see if I can clear them up.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Wizards too!!:cool:

Marchetti Hydro...Former Fred Bieger rig....

[David_L6]

Originally posted by Jeff Lytle
BETTER ???


Thank you. :)

[David_L6]

:)

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

Wonder how that rinker would run with newer boats if wheight was equal?

[Jeff Lytle]

That lad in the Wizard powered Hydro..............he's going to be in for a bit of a shock when he tries to turn left. His fin is up--BEEN THERE !!

Nice safety gear too I might add. :eek:

[CSR4C]

This is a Rinker that belongs to Dutch Sandison and myself. The deck has been replaced, the rest is orgional. I run a KG7H on it, just like when it was new.

To answer the question, what is Classic Stock. It is any Stock Outboard motor that has been out of production for at least 25 years.

Darrell

[mercguy]

hey Darrell, maybe we outta try and get the Classic B class going again, like it used to in the NW, no too long ago.........

[CSR4C]

Darren,
The problem they had with Classic B up north was they could not decide on what rules to follow. Some wanted to use 16:21 gears that never came on a conventional 20H. Others wanted to use any parts they wanted inside the power head. Here is an idea I came up with a while back that I think would work for Classic B.Classic B Handicap Racing

Heat one will be Hot Lap time trials
Heat two will be the handicap start race.

Hot Lap Time Trials:
Start: Beach start at the sound of gun or horn (no assigned starting positions) Green flag.
Duration: 7 minutes. White flag will be displayed at 6 minutes, checker at 7 minutes. The checker will remain displayed until the last boat crosses under its own power at planning speed.
Object: Each boat will attempt to run as many consistent laps as possible.
Timing: Each entrant will be responsible to provide one timer with stopwatch capable of timing splits. Timers will record each lap time.
Scoring: Boat with the most consistent laps 400 points, second most consistent 300, 225, 169, etc.
Any boat not crossing the starting line before the lead boat finishes the first lap may enter the competition, however the time for that boat’s first finishes it’s first lap.
Any boat not crossing the finish line, with checker flag, the time for its last lap will be when that boat started its last timed lap to the time the last boat crosses the finish line under it’s own power.
All boats finishing on the lead lap will throw out its slowest lap time.
Total lap times ¸ number of laps = average lap speed - fast lap = consistency score.
Handicap:
Contestants fastest lap time x number of laps to be raced, (round off to 5 second interval)
Example: Boat “A” 49.2, 48.4, 48.8, 50.1, 48.5, 48.9 lap times
49.2 + 48.4 + 48.8 + 50.1 + 48.5 + 48.9 – 50.1 = 243.8 ¸ 5 = 48.8 – 48.4 = .4
Fast lap 48.4 sec. Lap time x 3 (laps) = 145.2 sec. (145 sec.)

Boat “B” 44.5, 44.6, 53.7, 44.7, 45.6, 44.8 lap times
44.5 + 44.6 + 53.7 + 44.7 + 45.6 + 44.8 - 53.7 = 224.2 ¸ 5 =44.8 – 44.5 = .3

Fast lap 44.5 sec. Lap time x 3 (laps) = 133.5 sec. (135 sec.)

Boat “C” 55.6, 56.8, 55.9, 59.1, 58.7 lap times
55.6 + 56.8 + 55.9 + 59.1 + 58.7 =286.1 ¸ 5 = 57.2 – 55.6 = 1.6

Fast lap 55.6 sec. Lap time x 3 (laps) = 166.8 sec. (165 sec.)


Scoring:
Boat “A” consistency score of .4 300 points
Boat “B” consistency score of .3 400 points
Boat “C” consistency score of 1.6 225 points

Handicaps: Boat “A” 145 sec. Starts at 50 (-10)
Boat “B” 135 sec. Starts at “0”
Boat “C” 165 sec. Starts at “30” (-30)
Any boat failing to record a time in the time trials will be allowed to enter the handicap race with the starting position of “0” on the clock.

Handicaps of longer time than it takes the first starting boats to impede with boats still making a start will not be allowed.

A boat will be disqualified if it over runs it’s lap qualifying time by one second or more in any one lap. This will be by random timing. (Boat “A” 47.4 seconds or less any one lap)
Any boat will be disqualified if it finishes the race by one second less than the handicap race speed. (fast time x number of laps) Timing starts when clock hits zero.
(In example race the race, time would be 133.5 seconds.) Any boat finishing in 132.5 seconds or less would be disqualified.
Jumping the gun: Any boat will be disqualified that crosses the starting line early. No camera will be used and the driver must be “clearly over the line” any doubt will go to the driver.
Scoring: 400, 300, 225, etc. Add the Hot Lap Qualifying score + Handicap heat score for overall winner. Ties will go to the boat that scored the best in the handicap heat.

Darrell

[CSR4C]

Classic B Handicap racing.

In Classic B motors and boat designs range from 1950 to 1957. During this time there was great gains in speed. A good five M. P. H. from the KG7H to the 20H and even more if someone should choose to run the Hot Rod. Also there is a wide variation in performance levels of the same model of motors due to parts availability. Boats also vary in their performance capability.

This handicap race format gives everyone an equal chance to win the since it is the drivers skill counts more than the performance of the boat/motor. The 20H is in short supply. The KG7 / Mk20 / Mk25 being plentiful supply will attract new drivers to the class. A driver can still have the pride of having the fastest 20H or KG7.

This handicap system is based on the system that was used by Intercity Racing in Oregon for many years and is time tested. The only thing different is that they used individual time trials, which is very time consuming. The hot lap system uses no more time than a normal heat of racing. The points for consistent laps add skill to the time trials.

Advantages to this type of racing:

1. Everyone has an equal chance, regardless of equipment.
2. No boat weights to worry about.
3. If a motor is not 100% legal it doesn’t matter. Some times due to parts availability a legal motor is hard to build.
4. 1-1 or 16-21 gears, it doesn’t mater.
5. Safety, boats will not be bunched up in the first turn.
6. When all goes properly, the race will get tighter as it goes on.

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

That sure sounds like a good recipe kinda like a mini marathon. It would sure be fun to watch and i bet it would attract participants as it makes things more equal in equipment.
Can not wait to hear more
Richard KC Mo

[mercguy]

OK Darrell, that format sounds fair! Now, to find more participants! I guess for now, it is just me and Bob Myers running in your Marathons........but, this year, I am going converted!:eek:

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

Has anyone seen a tag team marathon? A,B,C,D boats are in center of course A starts flag start as he finishes x # of laps his partner starts in B anyhow you get the idea real pandimonium before its over more than one class running at a time really fun to watch. Start may have to be modified this was stock ob and driver started themself.

[STEVE FRENCH]

Thought this worth a BUMP!

[jeff55v]

To answer the question, what is Classic Stock. It is any Stock Outboard motor that has been out of production for at least 25 years.

Darrell

By that definition, Aren't most Stock Outboard motors "classic"?
:rolleyes:

[ottawamercguy]

At Crystal Lake this year we had 7 converted 20-H's and one Hot Rod
competing in B Classic runabout on Sat. It was the most 20-H's we
have had at Crystal Lake in some years. Ron Waterson won but since
points were not awarded it hardly mattered (maybe except for Ron!).
There were Racecrafts and even a FooLing. Several of the participants
are not hard core racers and some only race Vintage. It gives us a chance
to hear a bunch of poppers coming up to the line like the old days. In Canada
we regularly race B Classic Hydro with 4-7 boats and again points are not awarded.
Hopefully there will be runabouts this year as well. Keep the dream alive!
Regards Michael Rorke 4-CE

[KG4]

I have tried for a few years to see if i could run my KG at one event with no answers so i gave up and went back to vintage snowmobile racing!The club apperantly didnt want my money.:beatdeadhorse:

[bh/]

I have tried for a few years to see if i could run my KG ...

Bob; I can relate to your anguish, but the APBA clubs did have a sanctioning issue which has been solved.
So long as they list 'Stock Classic' on the sanction, and this costs them nothing, the Race Director, in consultation with the Referee and Tech Inspector, will slot you in wherever they deem feasible, and safe.
Your KG4H on a hydro, so long as it and you passed safety inspection, could be allowed to run with ASH , if they ran that class. If you were not a nuisance, or a safety hazard, you and your entry fee would be welcome.
You would not score National points, or affect the points awarded to the other ASH finishers. If more than three KG4s entered, they could score you separately. If five or more, they could run you as a regional class, if the race schedule could accommodate more heats. National classes must have priority.
Some clubs still need to get on board with this approach, and some never will.
It is their call.
At Crystal Lake this SEP a KG7H tested on FRI, and looked good to me, but for some reason did not race with the poppers on SAT:(

[TPLACE31]

I must have misunderstood the title of this thread "What is a Sock Classic?" My response would have been Bill Giles.

[bh/]

... "What is a Sock Classic?" My response would have been Bill Giles.

-sounds as if Classic Bill is getting 'sock-ed' in FL:opps:
Three(3) girls finished ahead of him in 125H :o
We may need to re-consider his position in the
'Slack-Ass Racing Team':discuss:

[raceboat61-S]

KG-4/Bob,
We have had Stock Classic on the APBA sanction at Top 'O for the last 2 years. Low turnout but we had a blast running the Indian River and part of Mullet Lake. Also, TRORA included Stock Classic on the sanction for the short course Delaware Lake, Ohio race last May but none showed up. We'll likely put them on again in 2011 so come on down !
Mike Marshall, '65 Rinker/Mk 20H, Raceboat 61-S

[cottagecreep]

I run BCH in Canada and love it, this was my first season, had its ups and downs.....lol. Attended Crystal Lake and had a blast at the event, didn't spend enough time setting up my Racecraft to run with the runabout guys safely so I stayed back and outside... it was a new and great experience, I'll have a better setup next year with more traction :)

I only speak for myself when I say the reason I started racing B wasn't for points, but it was because I grew up watching full flights in the early 90s running down a course and have always dreamed of running the class, bottom line is its a blast to just get out and have fun. Mind you.... that doesn't mean that we arn't competitive, I'm pretty sure almost all of our 20Hs here run 16:21 and there is some seriously tight racing.

Run whatcha brung up here for BCH :)

[Dpotts]

Exactly, BCH up here is some of the most competitive racing I've been in! Great class if you love running old mercs, but not all of us run 16:21 ;)

[ram95]

Crystal Lake - always worth the trip!

Alex
DSH 8A & 12A
Tohatsu powered Oconnor hydro's w/hyd steering
Maserati performance with a Cadilac ride
Recommended for "Classic" (aged) and young drivers alike.
Viagra - what a great way to go blind.